Be a fan of ScubaBoard.com

Welcome to ScubaBoard, an online scuba diving forum community where you can join over 205,000 divers from around the world discussing all things related to Scuba Diving. To gain full access to ScubaBoard (and make this large box go away) you must register for a free account. As a registered member you will be able to:

  • Participate in over 500 dive topic forums and browse from over 5,500,000 posts.
  • Communicate privately with other divers from around the world.
  • Post your own photos or view from well over 100,000 user submitted images.
  • Gain access to our free classifieds marketplace to buy, sell and trade gear, travel and services.
  • Use the calendar to organize your events and enroll in other members' events.
All this and much more is available to you absolutely free when you register for an account, so sign up today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact the ScubaBoard Support Team.
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 22


  1. #1
    Registered


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    44

    "Unsafe At Any Depth? Mail-Order BCs" - Huh??

    http://www.scubadiving.com/gear/mailorderBCs/

    So What's Wrong With Mail Order?
    Ordering products to be received through the mail has long been a valuable part of our economic distribution system. From the days when a farmer would order seeds from a catalog to today's toll-free numbers, fax and internet orders, mail order has served us well, especially for specialty and hard-to-get items. In remote areas, mail order is sometimes the only viable alternative. But when it comes to scuba life-support equipment, mail order is on very shaky ground.
    Consider this: Two years ago we tested the five best private-label mail-order regulators. None of the five was recommended for purchase. We pointed out that several name-brand regulators, previously selected as Tester's Choices and Best Buys, were available at dive stores in the same price range as mail-order regs.

    Same for the BCs tested here. Even if these six were offered for sale in a professional dive store, they would still be substandard. But in that same dive store, you could find BCs that have made our Tester's Choice and Best Buy lists in the same price range as these mail-order ones.
    Ok, is this article just hogwash or am I missing something?

    Why would a product purchased mail-order be any different than one from an LDS?

  2. #2
    ScubaBoard Enthusiast


    Has not set a "status"
     

    MechDiver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    2,384

    Yes, you're missing something

    The article is talking about private label items that you cannot get in a LDS, primarily because, as the article again states, they are junk.

    There is no difference between mainstream goods purchased mail order and the same items in an LDS, other than warrenty in some cases.

    MD

  3. #3
    Moderator
    Go Red - Support SB!

    Has not set a "status"
     

    ckharlan66's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    4,232

    They seem to be referring to products that ar...

    They seem to be referring to products that are only available through mail order. Not the manufactures that are being sold through both.

    Or am I misunderstanding it?

    Chad
    Ckharlan66@insightbb.com
    Don't use logic with me. It just confuses me and angers you.

    Come Dive with The Kentucky Piranha Patrol....If you call them Blue Gill you haven't been diving in Kentucky!!!

  4. #4
    ScubaBoard Enthusiast


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Posts
    1,293
    Shame their scaremongering tactics didn't involve testing my 'mail-order' Halcyon BP/wings, or my 'mail-order' Apeks regs, or my 'mail-order' DUI drysuit.



    Their choice of terms leaves a lot to be desired.
    (Si) vis pacem, para bellum.

  5. #5
    ScubaBoard Enthusiast


    Has not set a "status"
     

    gfisher4792's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Connecticut, USA
    Posts
    1,367
    Photos
    20

    I definitely consider mail order/online purch...

    I definitely consider mail order/online purchases a viable option. With that in mind, I would rather purchase the critical life support gear (BC, reg, etc.) from an LDS. Cons: More expense, wait longer to afford desired gear. Pros: Peace of mind, doing my little part to support the LDS.

    With all other support gear (clips, slate, etc.), I'm pretty much dealing out my cash online, and in the long run, I figure I save a ton of money anyway.

    However, I know a lot of people who have purchased regs and bc's online and not one has had trouble with theirs.

  6. #6
    ScubaBoard Enthusiast


    Has not set a "status"
     

    ElectricZombie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Wilson, NC
    Posts
    1,397

    The article is correct in that most "off bran...

    The article is correct in that most "off brand" BCs are probably junk. I would not buy any piece of gear that I had never heard of via mail order.

    The debate isn't mail order vs. LDS, it's junk gear vs. quality gear.
    Johnathan Mitchell
    NAUI Instructor

    "I'm going to go outside now and sacrifice a jacket BC to the DIR God."

    "Do it right the first time."

  7. #7
    ScubaBoard Enthusiast


    Has not set a "status"
     

    leadweight's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    1,626
    Dives
    1,000 - 2,499
    Photos
    1

    Not avaliable in any store...

    One could reasonably draw the conclusion that the issue is quality gear vs private label junk. However, the tone of the article definitely was intended to condemn mail order sales.

    I suspect that the reviewers were intentionally hard on everything to boot.

    Things have changed since that article was written. Some legitimate manufacturers (Scubapro and Aqualung) have become strident about prohibiting mail order sales while others, particularly in the tech diving area, have embraced it.

  8. #8
    ScubaBoard Enthusiast


    Has not set a "status"
     

    gfisher4792's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Connecticut, USA
    Posts
    1,367
    Photos
    20

    Yes, it's funny how in their review section, ...

    Yes, it's funny how in their review section, all of the BC's listed are private "junk" bc's that any self respecting diver wouldn't want to use; but on the opening page, they have an random list of name brand BC's, to draw the reader into thinking that the article reviewed good brand BC's that they got through the mail.

  9. #9
    ScubaBoard Contributor


    Has not set a "status"
     

    norcaldiver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Long Beach CA, BABY!
    Posts
    558

    I thought it was pretty cut and dry.[quot...

    I thought it was pretty cut and dry.

    We ordered the six best private-label jacket-style BCs from the six leading mail-order discount catalogs.
    and
    BC'ing you? Not with any of these six private-label BCs available through mail-order, we hope.
    Then if you click on the BCs in review link, the 1st thing listed is the BCs in review...

    Berry Scuba Traveler
    Divers Discount Supply Ocean Quest Pro
    Divers Supply Sea Elite Quest Plus
    Leisure Pro Blue Reef Admiral
    Mr. Diver Pro Duck Black Shadow
    Performance Diver Solace Pro

    Weird, but then again, I just read it for what it is, and don't try to read into everything..especially scubalab results.
    Ascii dumb question, get a dumb Ansi

  10. #10
    Divemaster
    Badge


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Newnan, GA
    Posts
    99

    They are talking about private label gear

    I didnt get out of the article that it was the mail-order process of buying gear that was bad, but the gear that is available only through mail-order, i.e., private label gear thats bad. You can order ScubaPro, Aqua-lung, whatever name brand gear through the mail and be fine. Its the stuff like.."Bob's Regulators" or "Joe's SCUBA Manufacturing" that they are talking about.
    More weight = more bottom time!

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Sherwood "Profile" vs. Genesis "React-Pro"
    By timmytes in forum Computers, Gauges, Watches and Analyzers
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: April 28th, 2009, 06:01 PM
  2. NAUI Nitrox course - "Recognition" course v. "certification" course
    By ScubaTexas in forum Basic Scuba Discussions
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: December 6th, 2006, 07:00 AM
  3. Questions on "Interchanging" / "Mix & Match" of their Backplates & Wings......
    By kityip in forum Buoyancy Compensators (BC's) and Weight Systems
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: March 3rd, 2005, 07:41 PM
  4. Wanted: "Uber" digital depth gauge!!!
    By teksimple in forum Computers, Gauges, Watches and Analyzers
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: December 14th, 2004, 11:27 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •