Mouthpiece detached - video clip

[UnderSeaBumbleBee]

Originally Posted by Digger54

What is this goop? The only goop I know of is a hand cleaner? Assuming it is an adhesive, what sort of fumes does it give off? And how bad is that going to be breathing that stuff at depth? I'm thinking about the increased partial pressure of what ever vapors this stuff is giving off in you system. Don't we want to breath nice, clean, pure air (or other gas mixes)?

I wouldn't want to get like someone that has been huffing solvents while diving.

thanks.

The Goop is exposed to the water, not your air or your lips

1 Remove old mouth piece
2 Throw away old mouth piece
3 Put new mouth piece on reg and set in correct place
4 Apply Goop to the grove where the zip tie will hold the mouth piece onto reg
5 Place zip tie into grove with Goop
6 Tighten zip tie
7 Wipe off excess Goop off of outside of mouth piece and zip tie
8 Cut off excess zip tie after zip tie is fully tight
9 Allow Goop to dry before you dive or put reg near mouth
10 When using reg, do not put mouth over the entire rubber mouth grip--only put formed mouth piece in mouth--do not hold lips over zip tie under any circumstances

[Splitlip]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitlip
Huh?
The chick is using a conventional (30" ?) primary reg and a typical octo (36-40"?). Don't get the point of your post. (Now I am painting my kids room, so the paint thinner might be taking it's toll). But what is this about about hoses under arms, 5ft hoses and strangulation?
I jumped back in the back end of the thread. What I miss?

I was referring to this:
Quote:
like: isn't this (Hogarthian) likely to strangle you?!

from a previous post.

Originally Posted by Web Monkey

I was referring to this: from a previous post.

Terry

Gotcha.
I did miss something.

(SB changed something I think where the posts are not all shown in a reply.)

[RoatanMan]

Originally Posted by digger54

... an adhesive, what sort of fumes does it give off? And how bad is that going to be breathing that stuff at depth? I'm thinking about the increased partial pressure of what ever vapors this stuff is giving off in you system.

Originally Posted by UnderSeaBumbleBee

The Goop is exposed to the water, not your air or your lips

True

1 Remove old mouth piece
2 Throw away old mouth piece
3 Put new mouth piece on reg and set in correct place
4 Apply Goop to the grove where the zip tie will hold the mouth piece onto reg

No, apply it to the mating surfaces of the mouthpiece and the second stage.

When GOOP fully dries, it is inert. It gives off no gasses. Make the big investment and buy a tube. Squirt out a dab. Quite volatile, I agree. It will even burn rapidly. Let it dry for 30 minutes and give it another sniff. Nothing there. All but fire resistant and dielectric to boot. It evaporates very quickly and will set, often before you are ready yourself! It comes off like a very strong and tough silicone adhesive.

The rig in the above picture? I have been using it without the sacred cable tie for 5+ years. Just the GOOP is keeping me from certain drowning. Amazing stuff. Hasn't even turned yellow.

--do not hold lips over zip tie under any circumstances

Also very good advice.

[FritzCat66]

Originally Posted by rx7diver

I wonder if an AIR II (or something similar) would have benefitted the diver in this video?

I agree. It seems to be popular on SB to knock the Air2's, but I think they're even more intuitive than a standard octo. A necklaced octo is OK *if* you've trained on it, but an Air2 has the advantage of already being there as soon as you don your BC, no extra setup required.

But in this particular case, as others have pointed out, she doesn't even really seem to try for her alternate, so hard to tell if an Air2 or necklaced octo would have helped.

>*< Fritz

[JayJudge]

I will give my most recent encounter with this problem
First, I bungee my short hose around my neck (I dive doubles BTW). Normally I bungee the long hose to the right tank (as you wear them), older style cave technique. Now, after a bunch of people prodded me, I decided to try the DIR style- around the shears/can, around the neck. Well, this style has its benefits, but, as I had worried it has its drawbacks. But, I tried it on various dives before, it seemed to work. Last week, I went in with the anchor to hook the U-352. Now, I am not positive of what happened, whether the anchor caught the hose or the safety chain or what, but....after hearing "GO!", I plunged in, my next breath was seawater. While spitting and wondering what had happened(total failure of reg, tank, etc) I switched to my back up. Now, I used my left hand to do this (still clinging to the anchor with my right). I happened to notice my computer reading 70 fsw. I took a second to look up, saw no excessive bubbles, so I shut the right post and proceeded on my happy little way to the stern where I hooked in. Once done with that, I turned back on my right post, looked for bubbles, tested it, filled the bag we put on the line, and reailised that just the mouthpiece had seperated. I practice a lot of things, especially swapping regs, so my reaction was natural, though I freely admit, not the least unnerving experience I have ever had. My thoughts did include heading for the surface, though only for a fleeting moment. Now, before anyone says- you should check your gear, EVERY time I am about to go in, I do a thorough check including zipties. The best I can figure is that the anchor pulled down and jerked the long hose just right, and I was biting hard enough that the mouthpiece seperated instead of just being pulled out. Vis had been hovering in the 20ft range, so I was a bit stressed that I might not spot the wreck. Luckily, I made it throught the dive, reacted the way I should, and the story had a happy (aside from the fact it was the U-352) dive. Now, watching the video, I personally feel that it wasn't so much a lack of experience (technically that was an experience, and honestly, it wouldn't teach too much without someone else's input). I feel it was a lack of knowledge- the diver had no alternate airsource, and I doubt the diver had ever seen things like bungeed backups, let alone tried one. The diver did the basic training from OW- sorta- go for the buddy. OW also doesn't get into trying your octo- in many cases this would waste precious time (say the first stage flooded). In the video, it looks like the outcome is ok, not great, but no casualties. I truely doubt that she realized it was the mouthpiece, or anything besides the fact she was trying to breath seawater. And she did the thing they don't talk about in OW- or usually even until tech, an OOG diver will go for your reg-it works, its visible, etc. Sorry this is so long, but, as a working DM, I have seen a lot of this stuff on the boat- OOG, equipment problems, in adequate planning, and my fave- beeping computers from missed stops- how hard is it to say in OW if your computer gives you a stop- DO THE STOP!!! And plan better next time so you don't go into deco. Hopefully, the diver in the vid reads a forum like this, and learns different ways out of the situation, and is able to continue to enjoy diving.
-J

[froggerman]

good info divers , I love this site scubaboard ,thank you for keeping it real, always learning ,,,,,,,,,,Froggerman

[dus10]

This same thing happened to my g/f on our first dive outing after getting certified. The regulator fell out, she panicked and went for my primary. Luckily I noticed it happening and had my octo out and 'shoved' it in her face. We surfaced, and after she calmed down we finished the dive.

She's still a little apprehensive about it, but I try to get her to practice going to her octo as much as possible and to thoroughly inspect her gear. Unfortunately, I'm not confident that she wouldn't panic again so I watch her like a hawk and am constantly asking her if she is ok.

[Thalassamania]

We've all had it happen at least once. Her reaction is rather extreme. Like I said, 17 successful training trials during training to have 95% confidence that a new diver will will actually be able to share air. Wonder if she "mastered" the skill during training?

[sunapeebob]

My dive buddy (my son) had the zip tie separate as he did a giant stride entry on a drift dive in the Keys. We had two pairs and a divemaster. The current was cruising and the divemaster told me to descend to 60 ft. I did not see my son, but he caught me at about 20 ft. He had his octo on (we were diving with octos on Ponies). He was fine, but had to terminate the dive, since he had no extra octo on the primary tank. He was actually laughing about it, because he had practiced OOA. He now carries a long line and an necklace. I am considering doing similarly, since I like the comfort of the necklaced octo. I would not suggest it for the new diver and I think I will practice with his stuff first. The goop idea in interesting.

[mbwilliamn]

Originally Posted by Dive Junky

My thoughts exactly. A second stage doesnt need a mouthpiece to breathe off of it.

Come on guys! Clearly she's a beginner....when was the last time you saw an experienced diver doing loops unless he was shooting fish? Seriously, though...looks like a plain case of lack of experience, practice and training. Some goof (out of balance and flailing around) yanked my 12 year old's reg out while we were in Cozumel. As I watched and the DM shot toward my son, he calmly picked up his octo (on tubing around his neck) and put it in. He then did a sweep for his primary and put it back in....the look on the DM's face was priceless!

Lesson - if the first time you encounter a problem is the first time you have rehearsed or practiced it...well, you could end up on You Tube!