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Hi everyone. I'm completely new to diving and going to be taking my open water classes in about two weeks in preparation for the scientific diving class that I'm planning to take this fall. I need to get a dive physical for the scientific class with a doctor in NC. However, I have asthma and am worried that I won't pass the dive physical (it's pretty well controlled, not exercise induced to the best of my knowledge, and I've been doing a lot of research into the risks of diving with asthma). My GP says that she doesn't see any reason why I can't dive. She did spirometry (at rest, not after exercise). So I'm looking for a dive doctor here so that I can do my physical now and not worry about spending a lot of time/money getting certified if I won't pass that dive physical (besides, if I can't pass that then I shouldn't be diving anyways) but am having quite a difficult time finding a dive doctor in my area. I live in the Cleveland, OH area, called DAN to get a referral, and the person they referred me to INSISTED on the phone that they don't do dive physicals. Very odd. Anyways, any suggestions? Does anyone know of a doctor in Cleveland who will do dive physicals? Should I just wait and do it in the fall since I've been cleared by one doctor already?
 
My GP says that she doesn't see any reason why I can't dive. She did spirometry (at rest, not after exercise). So I'm looking for a dive doctor here so that I can do my physical now and not worry about spending a lot of time/money getting certified if I won't pass that dive physical (besides, if I can't pass that then I shouldn't be diving anyways)

I'm a little confused. If your doctor said you're OK to dive, why are you looking for another doctor?

In any case, the medical form is to protect you from killing yourself, so besides satisfying your doctor it should also satisfy you. An asthma attack underwater would suck and it really depends on what you mean by "pretty well controlled".

If you get asthma from being around cats, you should be pretty safe, since there shouldn't be any cat hair in your tank. If you get it from mold, that's a different story since equipment is sometimes a little moldy and if you get it from exercise or cold air that's an even bigger problem.

My recommendation would be to call DAN back, tell them what happened, and get a referral to a different doc.

flots.
 
Hi everyone. I'm completely new to diving and going to be taking my open water classes in about two weeks in preparation for the scientific diving class that I'm planning to take this fall. I need to get a dive physical for the scientific class with a doctor in NC. However, I have asthma and am worried that I won't pass the dive physical (it's pretty well controlled, not exercise induced to the best of my knowledge, and I've been doing a lot of research into the risks of diving with asthma). My GP says that she doesn't see any reason why I can't dive. She did spirometry (at rest, not after exercise). So I'm looking for a dive doctor here so that I can do my physical now and not worry about spending a lot of time/money getting certified if I won't pass that dive physical (besides, if I can't pass that then I shouldn't be diving anyways) but am having quite a difficult time finding a dive doctor in my area. I live in the Cleveland, OH area, called DAN to get a referral, and the person they referred me to INSISTED on the phone that they don't do dive physicals. Very odd. Anyways, any suggestions? Does anyone know of a doctor in Cleveland who will do dive physicals? Should I just wait and do it in the fall since I've been cleared by one doctor already?

Everybody here on SB loves diving, and wants to be able to share this passion with everyone, including you....However....
"Asthma --- is to a scuba diver", what temporary blind spells ( coming out of no-where) -- are to "driving a car"....

Even mild asthma means that if your ascent rate takes off--an accidental BC inflation, you could die....where a diver with healthy lungs would only feel "embarrassed" .
There are some divers with mild asthma , and more than likely, they have rationalized it--if they do it, it must be smart....so they will be here soon enough, saying you should do what they did.

I don't think so.
 
Kristin,

I suggest you take a different approach than look for a doctor that will pass you. Many doctors do not understand all of the parameters of diving with asthma; some will not pass you based on the common paradigm that if you have asthma you "cannot" dive safely and my guess it is safer for their mal-practice insurance.

I suggest finding a dive physician that will work with you to ensure that you can safely dive with “your” type of asthma. This is the process that I am currently going thru with my GF.

I agree with Flots Am and call DAN back and ask for a referral to a “practicing dive physician” in the Cleveland area. You can also check with a trusted Local Dive Shop if they know of any “reputable” dive physicians. This is how we found ours in Denver.

Also here is a list from an internet search I did:

Cleveland Hyperbaric Medicine & Undersea Medicine Doctors - Hyperbaric Medicine & Undersea Medicine near Cleveland, OH (Ohio)

Good luck and happy bubbles…

~Oldbear~
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---------- Post added June 3rd, 2013 at 03:45 PM ----------

..."Asthma --- is to a scuba diver", what temporary blind spells ( coming out of no-where) -- are to "driving a car"....I don't think so.

Kristin,

See a real and competent doctor for your medical advice, do not base your desicion on an internet forum...



Dan,

I hope that these are your "personal opinions" and not your professional "medical advice".

IMHO a broad statement like this can be equated to that everyone with any type of medical condition or physical statute other than an Olympic athlete should be kept in a safe house/hospital/asylum for their own safekeeping.

Yes, not everyone with asthma can or should be allowed to dive, but not everyone with asthma should automatically be excluded either. There are many divers that safely dive with asthma; most people just don’t know who they are. My GF & I just ran a 10K at altitude over Memorial Day and a 10 mile cross-country (mountains) with 25 military obstacles this last weekend and we both have asthma. I worked with a dive physician in Dubai before I began diving and my GF is doing the same now in Denver. Just because we have asthma or any other alignment, does not automatically exclude us from partaking in life’s joyous activities…we just have to approach them a little bit differently and much wiser than others…like I said work with a physician that knows what diving entails and what your particular asthma constraints are. I am also a veteran with a disability and am dyslexic and those haven't hindered me in life either.

BTW, I know 4 instructors and 1 Course Director that has asthma and unless they told you, you would never know it.

~Michael~
 
Thanks for your help, everyone. Oldbear, that's pretty much what I'm looking for. I know that my GP is not overly familiar with dive physiology, and therefore probably cannot make assessments as accurately as a dive physician. I'm looking for someone who will help me know my limitations, but also be able to enjoy diving (as I've gotten pretty excited about it.) I'm going to try asking the dive shop for a recommendation, hopefully I'll be able to find someone. If I can't, I'll go ahead with the open water class and then get the physical in the fall.
 
Kristin,

I suggest you take a different approach than look for a doctor that will pass you. Many doctors do not understand all of the parameters of diving with asthma; some will not pass you based on the common paradigm that if you have asthma you "cannot" dive safely and my guess it is safer for their mal-practice insurance.

I suggest finding a dive physician that will work with you to ensure that you can safely dive with “your” type of asthma. This is the process that I am currently going thru with my GF.

I agree with Flots Am and call DAN back and ask for a referral to a “practicing dive physician” in the Cleveland area. You can also check with a trusted Local Dive Shop if they know of any “reputable” dive physicians. This is how we found ours in Denver.

Also here is a list from an internet search I did:

Cleveland Hyperbaric Medicine & Undersea Medicine Doctors - Hyperbaric Medicine & Undersea Medicine near Cleveland, OH (Ohio)

Good luck and happy bubbles…

~Oldbear~
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---------- Post added June 3rd, 2013 at 03:45 PM ----------



Kristin,

See a real and competent doctor for your medical advice, do not base your desicion on an internet forum...



Dan,

I hope that these are your "personal opinions" and not your professional "medical advice".

IMHO a broad statement like this can be equated to that everyone with any type of medical condition or physical statute other than an Olympic athlete should be kept in a safe house/hospital/asylum for their own safekeeping.

Yes, not everyone with asthma can or should be allowed to dive, but not everyone with asthma should automatically be excluded either. There are many divers that safely dive with asthma; most people just don’t know who they are. My GF & I just ran a 10K at altitude over Memorial Day and a 10 mile cross-country (mountains) with 25 military obstacles this last weekend and we both have asthma. I worked with a dive physician in Dubai before I began diving and my GF is doing the same now in Denver. Just because we have asthma or any other alignment, does not automatically exclude us from partaking in life’s joyous activities…we just have to approach them a little bit differently and much wiser than others…like I said work with a physician that knows what diving entails and what your particular asthma constraints are. I am also a veteran with a disability and am dyslexic and those haven't hindered me in life either.

BTW, I know 4 instructors and 1 Course Director that has asthma and unless they told you, you would never know it.

~Michael~

Mike,
I am not suggesting that you or the course directors stop diving...however, I think a DIFFERENT set of parameters need to be trained for a subset of divers with varrying degrees of asthma..the tendancy of agencies is different though--they would be more likely to change things for everyone, to compensate for those that can't exhale at the needed volume......For instance...back in the 70's a free ascent from 60 to 80 feet was safe, and today, given the different make up or "gene-pool" of divers, suddenly the free ascent is no longer safe to perform. Not that any of us should "need" to be doing free ascents, but it is a skill I think all non-asthmatic divers should have.

Kind of like you would be happy knowing the pilot of the plane you are a passenger in, is also a skilled glider pilot, and acrobatic pilot....just in case type stuff :)
 
I was just at my doctor today to get a medical release because I checked the yes I have asthma on the form for the AOW class. She is sending me for a spirometry. I have been diving for two months. I have asthma attacks when I am in a room with cats. Once I pass that test I should be good to go. I know my limits and will not push them. If I have an asthma attack underwater I will call the dive, do my safety stop and get out. My asthma is not that severe if I get away from the cats as soon as possible. I am not worried and neither is my doctor but she researched this and is making me take this test for my own good. She is not a dive doctor but she is very very good and knows me very very well. I don't feel the need to find a dive doctor for my type of asthma.
 
Mike,
I am not suggesting that you or the course directors stop diving...however, I think a DIFFERENT set of parameters need to be trained for a subset of divers with varrying degrees of asthma..the tendancy of agencies is different though--they would be more likely to change things for everyone, to compensate for those that can't exhale at the needed volume......For instance...back in the 70's a free ascent from 60 to 80 feet was safe, and today, given the different make up or "gene-pool" of divers, suddenly the free ascent is no longer safe to perform. Not that any of us should "need" to be doing free ascents, but it is a skill I think all non-asthmatic divers should have.

Kind of like you would be happy knowing the pilot of the plane you are a passenger in, is also a skilled glider pilot, and acrobatic pilot....just in case type stuff :)

Dan,

Please forgive me if I got a little emotional...sometimes my fingers are quicker than my brain. I "read" anyone with Asthma should "not" dive, I see now that was not your intent.

I can see your point of view.

My personal opinion is that a recreational diver should get a physical "every' year; just like a commercial diver but with recreational standards; not just when they answer "No" on the PADI medical. Just like when we were in grade school and wanted to play Pee-Wee football. People's medical conditions change, medicine & treatments change. My fear is not the diver who does need to dive with a medical release, at lease they indicate that they have spoken with a medical expert, but the diver that answered yes to all of the PADI questions, but is physically unfit to even carry their own gear onto a boat, much less a shore dive...in surf.

Again, if I misunderstood your post, let me apologize.

~Oldbear~
 
Everybody here on SB loves diving, and wants to be able to share this passion with everyone, including you....However....
"Asthma --- is to a scuba diver", what temporary blind spells ( coming out of no-where) -- are to "driving a car"....

Even mild asthma means that if your ascent rate takes off--an accidental BC inflation, you could die....where a diver with healthy lungs would only feel "embarrassed" .
There are some divers with mild asthma , and more than likely, they have rationalized it--if they do it, it must be smart....so they will be here soon enough, saying you should do what they did.

I don't think so.
I think I kinda of understand the connection you trying to make but I'm not sure on what rationale you are basing your opinion.

Obviously, if you have an asthma attack while diving that would be a bad thing. If you go blind while driving that also would be a bad thing. But, most drivers won't simply go blind while driving. However, asthma is technically a chronic condition that is characterized by periods of activity followed by periods of inactivity. In lay terms, that means you can go weeks to months without symptoms or needing medication to having the asthma triggered and then needing medication.

For starters, asthma is a disease characterized by a reversible constriction of the upper airways. That means that the muscles that control the upper airway go into spasm, the size of the airway itself decreases, and the patient then notes an increased work to breath. The characteristic sound is a wheeze when the patient tries to move air in and out of their lungs. It also means that the constriction is reversible, so that at some point it should reverse and go back to normal.

Typically speaking, there is a trigger that sets off a patient's asthma. It can be anything from an allergic reaction (like cats), to a cold, to environmental dust, and even dry air or cold. The last two are the problems for scuba diving. Scuba cylinders are filled with dry compressed air, and depending on ambient temperatures can be cold as well. For divers, a potential trigger just waiting to happen.

Asthma however has several different categories and subtypes. The actual medical assessment as to whether or not asthmatics can dive is debated amongst even the experts and no real consensus is agreed by expert doctors. For the most part, let's just say the the severity of the patient's asthma, how often they have exacertabations/attacks, and how easily and how much medication is required to get the asthma back under control is the guiding principle. The less severe the asthma, with very few exacerbations, and requires very little treatment that patient may very well try diving. The severe asthmatics, have frequent exacerbations, require multiple medications with high doses, that patient should not dive.

To the OP, you don't actually state how mild or severe your asthma is, how many or how often you take medications, if at all. I find that many patients report a history of childhood asthma but do not use any medications nor have any exacerbations as an adult. Many of these patients, however, still keep an inhaler handy just in case.

The only other test you may wish to do before you try diving is to have as asthma provocation test where the doctor does a pulmonary function test but tries to provoke an exacerbation of asthma during the test. Your GP can either do this test for you or refer to a pulmonary specialist and discuss the results. I'm not sure if you need an actual certified dive medicine MD to do this test either, any pulmonologist should be able to give an opinion on asthma as well and would at least be vaguely familiar with restricitons for scuba diving.

Good luck.

BTW - as to the assertion that a diver with asthma could die with accidental uncontrolled ascent that is not entirely true. The diver would have to have a very severe constriction coupled with a very fast ascent. The phenomenon is known as breath stacking and does not happen to asthmatics out in the public, but is usually seen in refractory asthmatics in the hospital (and generally not responding well to treatment either.) In breath stacking the patient has such a hard time exhaling air due to the asthma the actually have more air coming in with a breath than air going out with an exhalation. Again, this is very rare and is not clinically possible for an asthmatic patient diving. If the diver did not have an exacerbation and had a rapid ascent they would not be at any greater risk that a non-asthmatic. And, since the medical definition of "embarassment" implies compromise, a diver with embarrased breathing would likely have suffered some sort of trauma would still be at risk of dying later of complications.
 
My girlfriend was signed up to take a PADI Open Water course beginning this weekend. When she told the school that she had a past history of mild asthma , they refused to let her participate, even with a physician's OK provided on PADI's own medical release. I am a lawyer and can't believe this is not a violation of the ADA. I intend to notify PADI and see if I can get some satisfaction. Has anyone encountered anything similar?
 
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