Untitled Document




Become a Fan of
ScubaBoard.com

 

Register today and make this ad disappear!

Welcome to ScubaBoard, an online scuba diving forum community where you can join over 100,000 divers from around the world discussing all things related to Scuba Diving. To gain full access to ScubaBoard you must register for a free account. As a registered member you will be able to:
  • Participate in over 500 dive topic forums and browse from over 3,000,000 posts.
  • Communicate privately with other divers from around the world.
  • Post your own photos or view from 80,000 user submitted images.
  • Gain access to our free classifieds marketplace to buy, sell and trade gear, travel and services.
  • Use the calendar to organize your events and enroll in other members' events.
All this and much more is available to you absolutely free when you register for an account, so sign up today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact the ScubaBoard Support Team.

Go Back   ScubaBoard > Scuba Diving Central > New Divers and Those Considering Diving
Forums Register Today's Posts Calendar

New Divers and Those Considering Diving New to Diving? Have a question about training? Want to find out more about this thrilling activity? Post your questions here for other divers & instructors to help you on your path!
Please note: This forum has special rules. This forum is intended to be a very friendly, "flame free zone" where divers of any skill level may ask questions about basic scuba topics without fear of being accosted. Please show respect and courtesy at all times. Remember that the inquirer is looking for answers that they can understand. This is a learning zone and consequently, any off-topic or overly harsh responses will be removed.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old November 4th, 2009, 08:24 AM   #1
New Member

Status
Profile Info
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Scotland
Stats
Posts: 3
Half a turn back

Why, when opening a cylinder, is it recommended to do half a turn back?
sphenisc is offline
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2009, 08:44 AM   #2
Divemaster

Status
Badge
Profile Info
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Maryland
Logged Dives: 200 - 499
Stats
Posts: 383
Thanks Received: 17
it helps to insure that the valve will not get stuck in the open position. some people open them so far that after a dive, even more in cold water IMO, it will tend to get stuck or freezr in the open position. i have witnessed this once at the quarry and it took a wrench to get the valve closed.

also it helps to keep pressure off the internal o rings to help prolong their working life.

there might be some other reasons behind it, but these are the two reasons that i have found why it is done
__________________
David
Davidstealey3 is offline
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2009, 09:03 AM   #3
Fusion Diver!
 
parzdiver's Avatar

Status
Go Red - Support SB!
Profile Info
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Lansdale, PA
Logged Dives: 100 - 199
Stats
Photos: 61
Thanks Received: 120
Trader Rating: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by sphenisc View Post
Why, when opening a cylinder, is it recommended to do half a turn back?
Another reason to turn it back half a turn, at least on boat dives, is the dive master will generally check your cylinder before you go in the water. If it is already cranked, and they crank it further, it could very well get stuck.
__________________
ParzDiver

"....with the crust cause we're divers, it's not a freaking tea party!!!" - ScubaSam


Time to Caribbean:
parzdiver is offline
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2009, 11:41 AM   #4
ScubaBoard Veteran
 
ligersandtions's Avatar

Status
Profile Info
Join Date: May 2008
Location: San Pedro, CA
Logged Dives: 100 - 199
Stats
Posts: 1,170
Thanks Received: 120
Trader Rating: 2
I've never heard to turn it back half a turn....I've only ever heard to turn it back a quarter of the way. I certainly wouldn't be turning it half way back as it may not deliver air at depth (deeper than X feet). Personally, I don't turn it back a quarter of the way either and have never had freezing issues....though I also don't dive in super cold water.
__________________
"Worrying about buddies on a full DIR boat is like worrying about where you're going to score weed at Burning Man." -Rainer
ligersandtions is online now
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2009, 12:06 PM   #5
Scuba Instructor
 
snowflake4727's Avatar

Status
Badge
Profile Info
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Maine, USA
Stats
Posts: 350
Thanks Received: 35
Turning it back half a turn would have no affect on the flow of air, at least that anyone would notice. Also when it is checked and it moves then the checker knows it is open. If it doesn't move then it is suspect to be closed.
__________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
snowflake4727 is offline
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2009, 12:35 PM   #6
RJP
NJ Divemaster
 
RJP's Avatar

Status
Go Red - Support SB!
Profile Info
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Somewhere in the coastal waters off NJ
Logged Dives: 200 - 499
Stats
Posts: 4,478
Photos: 35
Thanks Received: 841
Trader Rating: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by sphenisc View Post
Why, when opening a cylinder, is it recommended to do half a turn back?
Depends on who you ask, as many folks do NOT recommend turning the knob back at all.

If you ask ME I suggest you open it all the way and leave it open all the way. Don't CRANK it open to the point that you can't now close it, but make sure it is fully opened.

The idea of leaving it "a little closed" so that if someone plays with it they will not crank it open too much, etc is just plain silliness in my mind. A valve is either OPEN or it is CLOSED, this way there is no doubt as to which way to turn the valve in order to get it to the other state. (eg from OPEN to CLOSED or from CLOSED to OPEN.) Though any divemaster or instructor who doesn't know which way to turn a valve needs to have every C-Card in their possession revoked. (Even my 5-year old can keep "lefty-loosey, righty-tighty" straight.)
__________________

Come dive New Jersey! www.GypsyBloodDive.com
RJP is offline
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
These 12 members have said "Thank you." to RJP for this useful post:
Old November 4th, 2009, 12:57 PM   #7
Divemaster
 
DarkCoffee's Avatar

Status
Badge
Profile Info
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Manitoba,Canada
Logged Dives: 100 - 199
Stats
Posts: 118
Thanks Received: 2
FWIW, I read that the old valves (circa 1950-1960) had a habit of locking up if you opened them all the way. The article then stated that this is not an issue with current valves. Info was taken from one of the NSSCDS manuals.
__________________
Never do anything you can't undo until you understand all the things you can't do once you do it.
DarkCoffee is offline
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2009, 05:47 PM   #8
Scuba Instructor
 
CatFishBob's Avatar

Status
Badge
Profile Info
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: South Puget Sound
Logged Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
Stats
Posts: 597
Thanks Received: 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by sphenisc View Post
Why, when opening a cylinder, is it recommended to do half a turn back?
Actually the usual recommendation is 1/4 turn back. But the amount of "turn back" isn't really important. All you are doing is making sure the valve isn't jammed all the way open. This is bad for the valve. All you really need to do is 1/4 inch back. Just don't have it jammed open.
CatFishBob is offline
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2009, 05:57 PM   #9
Regular Member
 
Solly's Avatar

Status
Profile Info
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Egypt
Logged Dives: 100 - 199
Stats
Posts: 187
Thanks Received: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by ligersandtions View Post
I've never heard to turn it back half a turn....I've only ever heard to turn it back a quarter of the way. I certainly wouldn't be turning it half way back as it may not deliver air at depth (deeper than X feet). Personally, I don't turn it back a quarter of the way either and have never had freezing issues....though I also don't dive in super cold water.
half a turn not half way back... this will never affect air flow, but keeps you in the safe side in case it gets stuck if fully opened.
Solly is offline
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
Old November 4th, 2009, 06:02 PM   #10
Regular Member

Status
Profile Info
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Pensacola
Logged Dives: 200 - 499
Stats
Posts: 394
Thanks Received: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by ligersandtions View Post
I've never heard to turn it back half a turn....I've only ever heard to turn it back a quarter of the way. I certainly wouldn't be turning it half way back as it may not deliver air at depth (deeper than X feet). Personally, I don't turn it back a quarter of the way either and have never had freezing issues....though I also don't dive in super cold water.
Not half the way back, half a turn. It takes several full turns to go from full off to full on.

I was told to do it, so that the person checking the tank could easily tell it's state. All the way on, and they might presume all the way off.
perdidochas is offline
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in Technorati Add to your Facebook!Twitter
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Quick Style Chooser:

Powered by: vBulletin. Copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
© 2000-2009 All content is copyrighted to ScubaBoard.com, except for the Photo Gallery and under prior arrangements.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:49 PM.
Syndicate this content on your website with rss or javascript data feeds.
ScubaBoard is a Founding Member of the UnderWater Network

© 2000-2009 All content is copyrighted to ScubaBoard.com, except for the Photo Gallery and under prior arrangements. Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.1