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So you’re reduced to “appeals to authority” using posts on anti-global warming bulletin boards that use as references the British judge that we dispensed with a while back. That’s getting a bit circular.
So were do we stand on the “appeal to authority” front? Supporting a concern over global warming we have the usual assortment of left wing kooks, joined by the The National Academy of Sciences, a society of distinguished scholars engaged in scientific and engineering research, dedicated to the furtherance of science and technology and to their use for the general welfare that was signed into being by President Abraham Lincoln on March 3, 1863, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the nation's leading general science organization, hell … even the right leaning Cato Institute. And expressing a lack of concern over global warming we have, the usual assortment of right wing kooks and … ?
Rest assured that I will debunk each an every one of the foolish charades that are put up here pretending to represent creditable scientific sources, at least until the point (which I honest think we have reached already) where it is clear to any reasonable observer that the “appeal to authority” is in support of those concerned over the effects of global warming.
Might I respectfully suggest that you admit defeat on that front and attempt to find some other way to support your views?
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Look I said in once and I'l say it a million times he is a hustler just like his dad ..the fruit never falls far from the tree. His dad helped jam oil and coal down our grandparents and parents throat. Made untold fortunes and now he is going to auction off the CO2 residuals while brokering the deals. Meanwhile he collects loot off the front end of the deal i.e. Occi. Petrol. and makes loot hyping the evils of Occi. Petrol., he makes loot on the remedy for Occi. Petro. and finally he makes loot off the saps rushing to buy the offsets caused by his company in the first place ...for that hustle alone he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize ....whoooppss he got one didn't he .ha ha ha !!!
This discussion is not about Al Gore, of Al Gore's Dad, or Grand Dad. Any of our personal opinion about him have nothing to do with the reality of lack of reality of the problem. He's not my favorite person on earth either ... so what?
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Thal, the only thing you have put up is your own charade, and if you don't agree with your charade, you are wrong. So if that is the case, I concede, you win. I will slip away into the drastically warming temperatures of the world outside my door, adios
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Thal, the only thing you have put up is your own charade, and if you don't agree with your charade, you are wrong. So if that is the case, I concede, you win. I will slip away into the drastically warming temperatures of the world outside my door, adios
Hast la vista, come back to the discussion sometime when you got some support for your position. I enjoy a good tussle, but this was frankly boring, more like shooting fish in a barrel.
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"Too often ... people enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought" - Leapfrog
"... what good would it have done? People like this are always right and no one can ever prove otherwise." - Paladin954
"It truly does boil down to motivation ... if you believe something is hard, or unnecessary to learn, you won't learn it ... even if it's completely within your capability" - Bob (Grateful Diver)
Thal ..my only opposition to your posts was the use of the LA Times as a source. Just wanted to point that out. As for Gore my post is a general statement that each and everyone of us must be aware of his history and his new crusade as a high priest of anthropogenic global warming. He in my opinion is not a very credible man when it comes to anything involving the use of carbon...
Finally Thal there are credible scientist out there who have serious questions concerning man made global warming. These voices are being marginalized, silenced and of course ridiculed. Very few people on this earth with any credibility deny global warming ...it is the cause of the last 30 yrs of warming which is in question.
All I can say about the hustler Al Gore is this...he won a Nobel Prize yet oddly Mahatma Ganghi didn't. Yassir Arafat won a Nobel ...yet Mother Theresa did not. Jimmi Carter won a Nobel yet Sir Winston Churchill did not ... conclusion a Nobel prize is another exercise in socialist masterbation.
About socialist, I believe that you are "parano". The USA is also a socialist country, because schools are free, libraries are also free. Can they make schools and libraries paying, in order that the USA isn't socialist?
Finally Thal there are credible scientist out there who have serious questions concerning man made global warming. These voices are being marginalized, silenced and of course ridiculed. Very few people on this earth with any credibility deny global warming ...it is the cause of the last 30 yrs of warming which is in question.
Yes, there are creditable scientists that, unable to parse global warming into "natural" and anthropogenic components, express doubts about the parsing, but not the process. I have some of those same doubts. We also have doubts about the point were it becomes irreversible. But what I see in the Arctic and Antarctic and the trends that I see in ocean temperature data frankly scares the crap out of me. Al Gore is not the issue and it would be a real shame if we all marched off to our doom distracted from seeking a solution because we are busy arguing about exactly how thick a coating of slime a professional politician is wearing.
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"Too often ... people enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought" - Leapfrog
"... what good would it have done? People like this are always right and no one can ever prove otherwise." - Paladin954
"It truly does boil down to motivation ... if you believe something is hard, or unnecessary to learn, you won't learn it ... even if it's completely within your capability" - Bob (Grateful Diver)
it would be a real shame if we all marched off to our doom distracted from seeking a solution because we are busy arguing about exactly how thick a coating of slime a professional politician is wearing.
I don't argue that the Earth is warming, although we've only come to this conclusion in the last 30 years or so...since it was believed that it was cooling in the 70s. So now we have enough data....or the odds are in our favor...that shows it's definitely happening.
Now, it's a good idea to stop or reduce carbon emmisions etc anyway due to our having to breath it etc etc, and we realized this years ago also, but can we say with absolute certainty that this will stop the process of warming? I find it quite amazing that people are presuming that we can actually control the temperature of this planet. If it were cooling, as it has obviously done in the past, we should be even more alarmed given that food production could be seriously hindered. Can we say that we could then warm the Earth? Not likely. At least at this point in our existence.
We're getting the idea and trying to spread it worldwide...less pollution in general. But can we stablize the climate of Earth? good luck.
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