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Just a side note concerning reducing CO2 and carbon taxes ...John Dingell of Mich wants to tax your house by limiting your interest deductions on a sliding scale. Any house over 3000 sqft would realize the front of the deduction process, after 4200 sqft you would not have any interest deductions. The carbon tax i.e. funds not deducted for interest payments tied to this scale would be placed into the general fund. The thinking process is that by reducing urban sprawl and thus reducing the demand for ever larger houses, will cut back on commutes, energy efficiency (though new homes are much more efficient than older homes like mine) and so on.
I own a small older house inside the city of San Diego and would not be affected ...so really I have no dog in this hunt. Further the capitalist pig that I am, oddly I find myself ok with this bill. Course you know that the money will never be used to reduce CO2 ...unless of course it goes directly to the UN. Where eventually they will find the proper use for the carbon taxes collected ...ha ha ha !
Then the average Joe is pretty damn stupid if he's willing to slit his (and my) childrens' throats 'cause he doesn't like the messenger.
wow, this is just plain idiotic. ultimate scare tactics.
like i said earlier, the sun is putting off more radiation than in the past, and we are seeing warmer temperatures. hmm, let's put two and two together.
20-30 years ago scientists were positive that the poles would switch.
the more we know about this planet. the more we have no idea.
I guess you don't ... but have you done something in the last year that compares? I know I haven't.
Well, since we're giving out prizes for "effort" now and not actual accomplishments, I'm going to make an effort at something super awesome this next year, maybe splitting subatomic particles or something. I will fail miserably, but my effort will be awesome!
Who can argue with 100 years of solid scientific consensus?
Date: Oct. 7, 1912 Publication: New York Times Quote: Prof. Schmidt Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age Comment: Still encroaching…
Date: June 28, 1923 Publication: Los Angeles Times Quote: The possibility of another Ice Age already having started… is admitted by men of first rank in the scientific world, men specially qualified to speak. Comment: Must be a slow starter.
Date: Aug. 9, 1923 Publication: Chicago Tribune Quote: Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada Comment: Still there last time we checked.
Date: December 1932 Publication: The Atlantic Quote: We must be just teetering on an ice age which some relatively mild geologic action would be sufficient to start going. Comment: Still teetering.
Date: Feb. 20, 1969 Publication: New York Times from Col. Bernt Bachen Quote: The Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two. Comment: Santa still is safe.
Date: February 1974 Publication: Fortune magazine from Reid Bryson Quote: There is very important climatic change going on right now… It is something that, if it continues, will affect the whole human occupation of the earth – like a billion people starving. Comment: World population increased by 2.5 billion.
Date: March 1, 1975 Publication: Science News Quote: The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed, and we are unlikely to quickly regain the “very extraordinary period of warmth” that preceded it. Comment: If “not soon be reversed” means “reversed by the next decade,” then yes.
Date: March 1, 1975 Publication: Science News Quote: The temperature has already fallen back some 0.6 degrees, and shows no sign of reversal. Comment: So much for climatologists reading the signs correctly.
Date: July-August 1975 Publication: International Wildlife Quote: But the sense of the discoveries is that there is no reason why the ice age should not start in earnest in our lifetimes. Comment: There’s still time.
Date: 1992 Publication: Al Gore, “Earth in the Balance” Quote: About 10 million residents of Bangladesh will lose their homes and means of sustenance because of the rising sea level, due to global warming, in the next few decades. Comment: While periodic monsoons still cause flooding, rising seas have not been a problem.
Date: Feb. 2, 2006 Publication: The Daily Telegraph Quote: “Billions will die,” says Lovelock, who tells us that he is not normally a gloomy type. Human civilisation will be reduced to a “broken rabble ruled by brutal warlords”, and the plague-ridden remainder of the species will flee the cracked and broken earth to the Arctic, the last temperate spot, where a few breeding couples will survive.haha
Who can argue with 100 years of solid scientific consensus?
Date: Oct. 7, 1912 Publication: New York Times Quote: Prof. Schmidt Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age Comment: Still encroaching…
Date: June 28, 1923 Publication: Los Angeles Times Quote: The possibility of another Ice Age already having started… is admitted by men of first rank in the scientific world, men specially qualified to speak. Comment: Must be a slow starter.
Date: Aug. 9, 1923 Publication: Chicago Tribune Quote: Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada Comment: Still there last time we checked.
Date: December 1932 Publication: The Atlantic Quote: We must be just teetering on an ice age which some relatively mild geologic action would be sufficient to start going. Comment: Still teetering.
Date: Feb. 20, 1969 Publication: New York Times from Col. Bernt Bachen Quote: The Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two. Comment: Santa still is safe.
Date: February 1974 Publication: Fortune magazine from Reid Bryson Quote: There is very important climatic change going on right now… It is something that, if it continues, will affect the whole human occupation of the earth – like a billion people starving. Comment: World population increased by 2.5 billion.
Date: March 1, 1975 Publication: Science News Quote: The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed, and we are unlikely to quickly regain the “very extraordinary period of warmth” that preceded it. Comment: If “not soon be reversed” means “reversed by the next decade,” then yes.
Date: March 1, 1975 Publication: Science News Quote: The temperature has already fallen back some 0.6 degrees, and shows no sign of reversal. Comment: So much for climatologists reading the signs correctly.
Date: July-August 1975 Publication: International Wildlife Quote: But the sense of the discoveries is that there is no reason why the ice age should not start in earnest in our lifetimes. Comment: There’s still time.
Date: 1992 Publication: Al Gore, “Earth in the Balance” Quote: About 10 million residents of Bangladesh will lose their homes and means of sustenance because of the rising sea level, due to global warming, in the next few decades. Comment: While periodic monsoons still cause flooding, rising seas have not been a problem.
Date: Feb. 2, 2006 Publication: The Daily Telegraph Quote: “Billions will die,” says Lovelock, who tells us that he is not normally a gloomy type. Human civilisation will be reduced to a “broken rabble ruled by brutal warlords”, and the plague-ridden remainder of the species will flee the cracked and broken earth to the Arctic, the last temperate spot, where a few breeding couples will survive.haha
Who can argue with 100 years of solid scientific consensus?
Date: Oct. 7, 1912 Publication: New York Times Quote: Prof. Schmidt Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age Comment: Still encroaching…
Date: June 28, 1923 Publication: Los Angeles Times Quote: The possibility of another Ice Age already having started… is admitted by men of first rank in the scientific world, men specially qualified to speak. Comment: Must be a slow starter.
Date: Aug. 9, 1923 Publication: Chicago Tribune Quote: Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada Comment: Still there last time we checked.
Date: December 1932 Publication: The Atlantic Quote: We must be just teetering on an ice age which some relatively mild geologic action would be sufficient to start going. Comment: Still teetering.
Date: Feb. 20, 1969 Publication: New York Times from Col. Bernt Bachen Quote: The Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two. Comment: Santa still is safe.
Date: February 1974 Publication: Fortune magazine from Reid Bryson Quote: There is very important climatic change going on right now… It is something that, if it continues, will affect the whole human occupation of the earth – like a billion people starving. Comment: World population increased by 2.5 billion.
Date: March 1, 1975 Publication: Science News Quote: The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed, and we are unlikely to quickly regain the “very extraordinary period of warmth” that preceded it. Comment: If “not soon be reversed” means “reversed by the next decade,” then yes.
Date: March 1, 1975 Publication: Science News Quote: The temperature has already fallen back some 0.6 degrees, and shows no sign of reversal. Comment: So much for climatologists reading the signs correctly.
Date: July-August 1975 Publication: International Wildlife Quote: But the sense of the discoveries is that there is no reason why the ice age should not start in earnest in our lifetimes. Comment: There’s still time.
Date: 1992 Publication: Al Gore, “Earth in the Balance” Quote: About 10 million residents of Bangladesh will lose their homes and means of sustenance because of the rising sea level, due to global warming, in the next few decades. Comment: While periodic monsoons still cause flooding, rising seas have not been a problem.
Date: Feb. 2, 2006 Publication: The Daily Telegraph Quote: “Billions will die,” says Lovelock, who tells us that he is not normally a gloomy type. Human civilisation will be reduced to a “broken rabble ruled by brutal warlords”, and the plague-ridden remainder of the species will flee the cracked and broken earth to the Arctic, the last temperate spot, where a few breeding couples will survive.haha
great post. like i said earlier, the more we know, the more we have no idea. i know it is cliche, but quite fitting.
None of this stuff matters ...according to the History Channel and of course legions of copper age prognostications ...not the least of which is the Mayan Calendar the earth will indeed come to an end in 2012 ...thus negating anthropogenic global warming , global cooling, acid rain and ozone depletion. Now please... excuse me while I kiss the sky!
None of this stuff matters ...according to the History Channel and of course legions of copper age prognostications ...not the least of which is the Mayan Calendar the earth will indeed come to an end in 2012 ...thus negating anthropogenic global warming , global cooling, acid rain and ozone depletion. Now please... excuse me while I kiss the sky!
Acid rain is now not a problem, because we are resolved by prohibiting of sulphur, and ozone depletion by prohibiting of CFC, but global warming problem is not yet resolved.
As a geologist who has a fairly sound understanding of the earths climate pattern over the last few billion years I can state:
There has been periods where there has been no ice on the planet.
There have been periods where there has been huge ice sheets covering most land masses (and we are still not fully sure how they melted as the albedo effect reflects heat).
At the moment the earth is gradually warming as it moves from the last age, over 10,000 years ago. Superimposed on this pattern you have sharp negative spikes (cooling) caused by volcanic eruptions (volcanic dust blocks sun light and can cause 'little ice ages'). Mt Pinatubo in the Philippines cooled the earth by an appreciable degree for a number years after its eruption in 1991, while bigger historic eruptions such as Santorini and Krakatoa (to name the better known ones) had even greater effects. However: no one can give a plausible natural explanation for the sudden spike in warming that we have seen in the last 50 years or so.
Very few scientists doubt that man-made global warming is occurring, and it is sad that in the US the current government uses its power over budgets for various scientific organisations to stifle debate on the matter and bully exponents of global warming into compliance.
wow, this is just plain idiotic. ultimate scare tactics. like i said earlier, the sun is putting off more radiation than in the past, and we are seeing warmer temperatures. hmm, let's put two and two together.
First - you're not a Creationist are you? I just need to now if its worth bothering with facts, or if you just believe everything you're told that supports your belief system.
There is a huge body of work done detailing the history of the Earths climate, particularly sea temperatures, over the last billion years or so, with a great deal of focus on the Tertiary (the last 65 million years) and particularly the Quaternary (the last 1.8 million years). Can you please point me in the direction of a single paper that has someone measuring the degree of solar output over the last 65 million years? the last 10,000 years? The last 5000 years? The last 200 years? Please? If not then how do you back up your claim?
The history of the earths climate shows gradual warming and cooling over the periods of 10,000's to 10's of millions of years, and short term (10-100's of years) cooling periods that can be linked with natural phenomena. But the sudden spike in temps over the last 50 years has no geological precedence.
Originally Posted by Texas_Aggie06
20-30 years ago scientists were positive that the poles would switch.
And we are still completely sure the magentic poles will switch: magnetic north becomes magnetic south and and magentic south becomes magnetic north: these magnetic reversals occur every 50,000 to 500,000 years or so and we are way overdue for one. Just how quicky one occurs we're not sure - the last one occured when we were still banging the rocks together
Cheers,
Dr Rohan.
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Originally Posted by Thalassamania
ultimate scare tactics. 
