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Thanks Tassie. It's nice to hear from people who actually know what they are talking about, rather than just posting bits and pieces Googled from wherever.
As for the rising sea levels in Bangladesh not being a problem. Tell that to the people who have already lost their homes and land, according to the experts, due to sea level rises.
But they must be imagining it right? Because it isn't happening so they must be making it up!
Who can argue with 100 years of solid scientific consensus?
Date: Oct. 7, 1912 Publication: New York Times Quote: Prof. Schmidt Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age Comment: Still encroaching…
Date: June 28, 1923 Publication: Los Angeles Times Quote: The possibility of another Ice Age already having started… is admitted by men of first rank in the scientific world, men specially qualified to speak. Comment: Must be a slow starter.
Date: Aug. 9, 1923 Publication: Chicago Tribune Quote: Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada Comment: Still there last time we checked.
Date: December 1932 Publication: The Atlantic Quote: We must be just teetering on an ice age which some relatively mild geologic action would be sufficient to start going. Comment: Still teetering.
Date: Feb. 20, 1969 Publication: New York Times from Col. Bernt Bachen Quote: The Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two. Comment: Santa still is safe.
Date: February 1974 Publication: Fortune magazine from Reid Bryson Quote: There is very important climatic change going on right now… It is something that, if it continues, will affect the whole human occupation of the earth – like a billion people starving. Comment: World population increased by 2.5 billion.
Date: March 1, 1975 Publication: Science News Quote: The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed, and we are unlikely to quickly regain the “very extraordinary period of warmth” that preceded it. Comment: If “not soon be reversed” means “reversed by the next decade,” then yes.
Date: March 1, 1975 Publication: Science News Quote: The temperature has already fallen back some 0.6 degrees, and shows no sign of reversal. Comment: So much for climatologists reading the signs correctly.
Date: July-August 1975 Publication: International Wildlife Quote: But the sense of the discoveries is that there is no reason why the ice age should not start in earnest in our lifetimes. Comment: There’s still time.
Date: 1992 Publication: Al Gore, “Earth in the Balance” Quote: About 10 million residents of Bangladesh will lose their homes and means of sustenance because of the rising sea level, due to global warming, in the next few decades. Comment: While periodic monsoons still cause flooding, rising seas have not been a problem.
Date: Feb. 2, 2006 Publication: The Daily Telegraph Quote: “Billions will die,” says Lovelock, who tells us that he is not normally a gloomy type. Human civilisation will be reduced to a “broken rabble ruled by brutal warlords”, and the plague-ridden remainder of the species will flee the cracked and broken earth to the Arctic, the last temperate spot, where a few breeding couples will survive.haha
New York Times, Los Angeles Times, The Atlantic, Fortune magazine, International Wildlife, etc. From such noted researchers as Col. Bernt Bachen.
Not a single credible peer-reviewed journal.
Individual loons can mouth off about whatever they want, and newpapers will print just about anything as long as it sells. The ‘End of the World’ does sell papers I guess.
But real science - the stuff that takes decades to build up to a consensus using hundreds if not thousands of peer-reviewed observations and experiments: that’s just too boring or too hard to deal with isn't it? The data recorded in thousands of ice cores and deep marine sediments is just too dry and difficult to understand isn’t it? Better to quote some loons in the newpaper and give yourself a big smug hug for your cleverness?
Like the creationist thread people cling to one or two cherished myths, or the words of anyone who will spout any garbage they can, in order to – well: I have no idea why....
I read in the paper that Elvis was recently spotted alive and well in his UFO as well.
Cheers,
Rohan.
Last edited by Tassie_Rohan; October 16th, 2007 at 05:38 AM.
Reason: and one more thing....
Kind of funny all the quoted newspaper articles, apart from the last two recent bits that sensationalise global warming, predate the main results of the deep sea drilling project (which provided deep marine sediments from around the world) and the various ice drilling projects. This research (and countless others) helped build a continuous record of climate during the Holocene and Quaternary, from tens of thousands of sources, on which the foundation of climate change studies are built.
Why it that?
Bit like saying radiation does not exist and quoting Pythagoras.
Or rather - stating radiation does not exist and for evidence quoting a loon in The Times newpaper from the early 1800's.
Har har. Patrick Michaels has had all his research conveniently funded by Virginia coal companies, and is decried by many climatologists as the poster-child for the paid-off dancing bear of sticking one's fingers in one's ears.
I'll only comment on that, as the vast majority of this is empty chest-beating and rhetoric. Yes, Kyoto is a European plot to destroy the American economy, Al Gore actually is a communist spy, crude oil should be fed to children at breakfast to strengthen their bones and warm their engines before playtime, and the clearcutting of the rainforests creates invaluable grassland ecosystems.
I'm gonna go buy a V12 and burn my old tires. Hope this discussion gets better.
On a large pile of smokin' A'a, the most isolated population center on the face of the earth. 2,175 miles to Alaska, 2,390 miles to California; 3,850 miles to Japan; 4,900 miles to China; 5,280 miles to the Philippines.
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"I have flown twice over Mt St Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned about." Ronald Reagan '80.
"The American Petroleum Institute filed suit against the EPA [and] charged that the agency was suppressing a scientific study for fear it might be misinterpreted... The suppressed study reveals that 80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees." attributed to Ronald Reagan '79
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Sorry to disappoint Tassie, but I am not a creationist. And, I still don't buy it that we know what is going on. My contention is with the absolute certainty that much of the arguments are made.
Of course everything with evrionmental science isn't figured out yet, but the evidence for global warming is overwhelming. You wouldn't disregard dive tables because decompression is still a "theory" - would you?
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Of course everything with evrionmental science isn't figured out yet, but the evidence for global warming is overwhelming.
It's not all figured out, but yes....the evidence is overwhelming. Given that the current US administration has now accepted that it is happening, after denying it for so long, it's strange to hear some regurgitating the OLD administration arguments of denial. It's like they don't listen to the news or something. Or maybe their radios are picking up 3 year old signals....it's weird.
No government in the world denies this anymore. They simply disagree on the right approach to deal with it.
(Media-Newswire.com) - Washington -- Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman said the United States embraces the findings of the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change ( IPCC ). We agree with it, and the science behind it is something that our country has played a very important role in, he told journalists February 2 in Washington.
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, stated the IPCC Summary for Policymakers, released February 1. Most of the warming over the past 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations, and human activity very likely is the source of these gases, it said.
The report concludes, with what it says is about 90 percent certainty, that the recent, rapid climate change is the result of increased global atmospheric concentrations of the greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide, likely generated by emissions from human use of fossil fuels.
In his January State of the Union address, President Bush advocated a drastic reduction in fossil fuel consumption and development of new technologies. ( See related article and fact sheet. )
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