They are a gimmick

[Teamcasa]

I don't think a fin should get anything but "DESTROYED" by us here on scubaboard, if it is no good at propulsion...

Funny, many assume they don't work well in the water - they do.
As for destroying something simply because they don't fit your narrow paradym is, well, just silly.

[Teamcasa]

.. For me, adding a feature to compensate for a deficient skill set doesn't make sense as long as I am able to improve that deficient skill set.

Why does one assume there is a deficiency in skill before one chooses to use them? I am perfectly capable of fining up at the gate and at the bottom of the stairs but with these fins, I just don't have to.

If they are working for you, that's awesome.

They do and it is.

[*dave*]

Dave, my posts are not about you, they are about the fin and it's target market. While responding to your post, I wasn't implying your skills suck, but likely the target market could use some improvement which would better serve them than this fin.

The fins are marketed on the flip up feature, which does add failure points to what is typically a bullet proof piece of kit. We had a pair at the shop which failed. An easy fix for that issue, but I've had zero failures with a pair of blades since.... 1976.

All stress is carried at three points, causing wear at those points. At some point, these fins will fail.

Having used them, I can say they are no better a fin for what a fin is designed for than those you can buy for $50, but can't use as shin guards.

When I do surf entries, I can't imagine wanting to increase the surface area of my shins. Moving through shallow, rocky and uneven bottoms, I need to be able to move quickly and precisely or risk falling on my ass or getting rolled.

Now, if someone has a back issue or something that prevents them from doing what any reasonably healthy 12yo or 60yo could do, I might recommend this fin myself. On the other hand, I might also question that persons ability to execute certain dives or meet the criteria for certification.

Again, this isn't about you. Just the flip side of your opinion.

[danvolker]

Funny, many assume they don't work well in the water - they do.
As for destroying something simply because they don't fit your narrow paradym is, well, just silly.

Sorry Dave :-) , I have seen them used in the water....and on multiple occasions, I have had to grab the wearers tank valve and pull them along, so they could make it to a reef ledge across a mild current....

They have propulsion (maybe) for an area with zero currents, if the user likes moving at macro ( ultra slow) speeds, and does not have an interest in advanced techniques like reverse kicks.

I would almost buy a pair and shoot a demo video myself..comparing them to effective fins like DiveR fins....keep my going too long and I might

[Teamcasa]

Dave, my posts are not about you, they are about the fin and it's target market. While responding to your post, I wasn't implying your skills suck, but likely the target market could use some improvement which would better serve them than this fin.

The fins are marketed on the flip up feature, which does add failure points to what is typically a bullet proof piece of kit. We had a pair at the shop which failed. An easy fix for that issue, but I've had zero failures with a pair of blades since.... 1976.

All stress is carried at three points, causing wear at those points. At some point, these fins will fail.

Having used them, I can say they are no better a fin for what a fin is designed for than those you can buy for $50, but can't use as shin guards.

When I do surf entries, I can't imagine wanting to increase the surface area of my shins. Moving through shallow, rocky and uneven bottoms, I need to be able to move quickly and precisely or risk falling on my ass or getting rolled.

Now, if someone has a back issue or something that prevents them from doing what any reasonably healthy 12yo or 60yo could do, I might recommend this fin myself. On the other hand, I might also question that persons ability to execute certain dives or meet the criteria for certification.

Again, this isn't about you. Just the flip side of your opinion.

Got it, fair enough.
BTW, when I beach dive (on that rare occasion,) I don't use them unless there is little or no surf. They will push your feet around in the flipped up position.

[Teamcasa]

Sorry Dave :-) , I have seen them used in the water....and on multiple occasions, I have had to grab the wearers tank valve and pull them along, so they could make it to a reef ledge across a mild current....

They have propulsion (maybe) for an area with zero currents, if the user likes moving at macro ( ultra slow) speeds, and does not have an interest in advanced techniques like reverse kicks.

I would almost buy a pair and shoot a demo video myself..comparing them to effective fins like DiveR fins....keep my going too long and I might

In those cases it may indeed be a skills or fitness issue. I can assure you they propel me, even in a current, even when I'm holding my lovely brides hand. But, I do know how to kick. In the water, they perform very well, even back kicking and helicopter turns.

In my opinion, speed is 98% the diver and 2% fins. I would venture to say that given your stated diving prowess, you'd do fine in the water with just about any fin.