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Hi,

I live in San Diego (CA) and I want try snorkeling for the first time. I have a few questions before committing to buy the snorkeling gear.

1. Do I have to be a good swimmer? Right now I can swim about 200 yards before getting winded.

2. The water temperature San Diego is about 60F-70F (16C to 21C). Which wetsuit style and thickness do I need? Does this wetsuit help with bouyancy?

4. Any advice for snorkeling gear?

3. Should I take a snorkeling course? Or just practice in the swimming pool before going out?

Many Thanks,

Par
 
1. Do I have to be a good swimmer? Right now I can swim about 200 yards before getting winded.

You do not have to be a 'good' swimmer, but you have to be able to swim. If you can swim 200 yards, that is a great starting point.

2. The water temperature San Diego is about 60F-70F (16C to 21C). Which wetsuit style and thickness do I need? Does this wetsuit help with bouyancy?

I would look for a 7mm full suit or a 3mm two piece. A two piece will give you 6 on your torso. If you look specifically for a freediving wetsuit, you'll typically get one more designed for 'snorkeling'. You will indeed float like a cork!

4. Any advice for snorkeling gear?

If 'snorkeling' is all your going to do, look at gear more for freediving and UW hunting. Get a simple snorkel, a good low volume mask that FITS, and some descent fins. A lot of variables.

3. Should I take a snorkeling course? Or just practice in the swimming pool before going out?

A course won't hurt. All PADI and SDI DM's through Instructors can teach a Skin Diver course. This will cover a lot of your questions. You'll learn how to put the gear together, how to equalize your ears, how to weight yourself, and how to dive. Snorkeling is not in itself hard, but you're learning curve will be very steep if you take a course vs. trying to figure it out for your self.

Good luck!
 
Hi,

I live in San Diego (CA) and I want try snorkeling for the first time. I have a few questions before committing to buy the snorkeling gear.

1. Do I have to be a good swimmer? Right now I can swim about 200 yards before getting winded.

2. The water temperature San Diego is about 60F-70F (16C to 21C). Which wetsuit style and thickness do I need? Does this wetsuit help with bouyancy?

4. Any advice for snorkeling gear?

3. Should I take a snorkeling course? Or just practice in the swimming pool before going out?

Many Thanks,

Par

Par,

While you can just go out and snorkel, my advice would be to take a course. Snorkeling and freediving are the most beautiful and athletic disciplines in diving. Unfortunately, snorkeling is being undersold by dive shops, training agencies, and divers themselves because they either didn't learn at all or learned from a scuba instructor who was a poor snorkeler or didn't emphasize the importance of good snorkeling skill to add tremendous artistry and joy to the realm of sport diving. The type of course I would advise would be from a professional freediving instructor who could probably provide you with equipment before you invested in some expensive freediving fins, evaluate your abilities in the water as a swimmer and help you improve, and teach you how to get the most pleasure from snorkeling by teaching you how to fin, breathe, surface dive and move gracefully underwater and on the surface.

If you are looking for a good reference book for snorkeling, Umberto Pelizzari's Manual of Freediving is the one must have for all snorkeling and freediving information.

Don't necessarily invest in equipment without first looking at the type of equipment that is preferred for the discipline. Many dive shops will be happy to sell you any old mask, fins and snorkel. Check out gear here Picasso America and look for a dive center that carries similar products. Such a shop is most likely going to be able to meet your equipment and training needs.

Many snorkelers and freedivers prefer 5mm full suits or 5mm freediving suits in Southern California.

As a freediving instructor, that is my advice. I'd be happy to help you find a good shop or freediving instructor in your area.
 
Hi, I live in San Diego (CA) and I want try snorkeling for the first time. I have a few questions before committing to buy the snorkeling gear.

Welcome to the Snorkelling/Freediving forum, Pardreamer! Living in Southern California as you do, you are fortunate to be based in what was one of skin and scuba diving's birthplaces. During one of my summer visits to the United States a few years ago I spent several agreeable days snorkelling at La Jolla Cove, not far from San Diego, with a crowd of other snorkellers. Everybody was having a great time. It's great to have access to such wonderful snorkelling in your own backyard. Snorkelling doesn't have to mean boarding planes and flying to remote and expensive tropical resorts.

1. Do I have to be a good swimmer? Right now I can swim about 200 yards before getting winded.

Snorkelling is a matter of matching your swimming skills to the conditions of the water where you are planning to snorkel. Your current ability would probably suffice unless you are planning to snorkel for long distances in very turbulent seas far from land. As in any activity with potential dangers, personal judgement must be developed and exercised when it comes to deciding whether it's safe to get into the water or whether it's better to turn tail and go home instead. If you're unsure, ask knowledgeable local people about water safety. They will be able to tell you about potential dangers such as hidden currents.

2. The water temperature San Diego is about 60F-70F (16C to 21C). Which wetsuit style and thickness do I need? Does this wetsuit help with bouyancy?

During the summer at La Jolla Cove I, like everybody else, was able to snorkel without a wetsuit. Whatever you choose in the way of exposure suits depends on how tolerant you are of variations in temperature. I snorkel in the cold all the year round North Sea with a vintage-style drysuit, basically just a thin covering beneath which I can wear different amounts of underclothing to keep me comfortable at various times of the year. Now I'm in my sixties and overweight, I feel the cold much less than I did in the late 1950s, when started snorkelling. You don't say how cold water tolerant you are. Choosing an exposure suit is something of personal odyssey. Don't expect to get it right first time.

3. Any advice for snorkeling gear?

The first thing I will say here is that you are asking about snorkelling gear. Many SB posters make the assumption that snorkelling is just some kind of entry pursuit for freediving or scuba diving. Having made this assumption, they will then advise you to purchase freediving gear or scuba diving gear, because they're freedivers or scuba divers and can't imagine that anybody would want to remain a snorkel diver. Well, I've been a simple snorkeller for more than half a century and I'm happy being "just a snorkeller". For me, it's a wonderful, self-contained, spontaneous pursuit in its own right. Unlike freediving or scuba diving, snorkelling requires little or no specialist gear.

Fins. When I snorkelled at La Jolla Cove, I noticed that my many snorkelling companions wore every kind of fins possible. Some wore the variety of non-adjustable open-heel fins nowadays associated with bodysurfing:
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Others had the adjustable kind of open-heel fins commonly associated these days with scuba diving:
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Others wore the kind of standard-bladed full-foot fins often associated nowadays with swim training:
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Others opted for the kind of long-bladed full-foot fins commonly associated nowadays with freediving:
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The common factor was that everybody was enjoying themselves immensely, each happy with their personal choice of fins.

If you go into some dive stores and ask for snorkelling fins, you may be offered something like this:
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Personally, I think they look hideous and I wouldn't be seen dead in them. However, each to his own!

The most important criterion when choosing a pair of snorkelling fins, whether they are open-heel or full-foot, is fit. The foot pockets have to match your foot length-, width- and height-wise, nobody else's. No single brand of fins comes in a variety of foot widths to suit people with very broad or narrow feet. Many brands just come in a choice of three foot-length sizes: Medium, Large and Extra Large. Those actually labelled with shoe sizes are designed for a range of sizes, e.g. 10-12, so people with size 10 feet may find the foot pockets loose while the size 12s may find the pockets too tight. The former may lead to blisters and fin loss, the latter may lead to cramping. Then there's your expectations of what you want the fins to do. Fins aren't worn for speed, they're there for power, manoeuvrability and endurance. No single fin combines these attributes in equal measure, no matter what manufacturers and retailers tell you.

I recommend that you purchase a simple, inexpensive pair of fins to begin with. It's easy to lose a fin in the surf and you don't want that eventuality to represent a large financial loss. The chances are too that you will be ready to buy another, for you better, pair of fins once you've accumulated a little experience of snorkelling in a variety of conditions. Just make sure that they fit your feet properly and the blades aren't either too floppy or too stiff for your swimming strength. And if you're planning to wear socks are thin-soled boots, don't just follow blindly the recommendation that you'll have to get open-heel fins. Socks or thin-soled boots can be worn with full-foot fins, so long as you wear the footwear when you're trying out the full-foot fins for size.

Masks. Choosing a mask is all about finding a model that fits your facial dimensions, nobody else's. Be wary of advice recommending one particular brand because it tops the polls in some diving magazine. It may suit everybody else, but leak water in your case. Personally, I use an old-fashioned rubber-skirted oval mask, because it fits my face perfectly and fulfils all my criteria in a mask. My choice, however, is neither here not there for anybody else. Make your own mind up. Try the mask on in the store, check whether it remains on your face without attaching the straps when you create a slight vacuum by breathing in through your nose. Better still, try the mask in the water while you're snorkelling.

Snorkel. Again, the simpler and cheaper the better. A simple "J"-shaped breathing tube should be fine. You can always purchase one with the latest "must-have" gimmick later if you really want to.

4. Should I take a snorkeling course? Or just practice in the swimming pool before going out?

You're very fortunate if you have the opportunity to practise snorkelling in a public swimming pool. Here in the UK fins, masks and snorkels are banned from public swimming pools. Fortunately for me, when I began snorkelling in the late 1950s, snorkelling gear was permitted in public pools and I learned in relative safety. There were no snorkelling courses back then and I taught myself to snorkel.

Should you take a snorkelling course? Up to you. How confident do you feel? I would just make sure that it was a snorkelling course that you were signing up to and not "Freediving 101" or "Scuba Diving 101". As I've said above, snorkelling is a wonderful, fulfilling pursuit in itself and it doesn't have to lead anywhere beyond its own horizons. It's about fun, exercise, shared enjoyment
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not about breaking personal breath-hold or depth records, unless that is what really appeals to you.
 
I would look for a 7mm full suit or a 3mm two piece. A two piece will give you 6 on your torso. If you look specifically for a freediving wetsuit, you'll typically get one more designed for 'snorkeling'. You will indeed float like a cork!

Is it an advantage to float like a cork? :wink: I mean, it is easier to get up with the bouyancy, but isn't it a lot harder to get down also?
 
Welcome to snorkeling. I am no expert as there are no letters that follow my name like a can of alphabet soup. But this is what I would do.

Go to where the snorkelers frequent, and observe what kind, and brand of gear is the most widely used. Now, that in no way shape or form means you have to buy the exact same, it just gives you a good idea what the group is using,
and second, see if a local shop in your area will rent you the gear, and try it out first hand.
Maybe go to multiple shops who have different brands and styles, and try them all beforehand.

Because remember one thing, at the end of the day, you have to be happy and comfortable. If not, you will find yourself not wanting to go snorkeling. Maybe the finns don't fit right, or the mask leaks, or the snorkel floods. Try the gear beforehand till you find what works for you. At first you might not even know what works until you put your time in the water.

It's great that you are a strong swimmer, but in snorkeling, at least in my case, I do not use my arms....at all. For the most part, unless I am carrying something, my arms are by my side. And then most times, I will take both of them and, while holding my hands, place my arms on my back. What I try to do while snorkeling is make the smallest silhouette that I can. The maximum distance with the least amount of effort. This is my style, and after you put your time in the water, you will develop a style that is unique just to you. So I do not know if you need a class, just practice, practice, and practice.

I do not think the gear is as important as ones style. I can remember once complaining about my Les Paul Guitar, how something was apparently wrong with it because it wouldn't play right......until this guy walked over, picked it up, and started playing ," Going Home", By Alvin Lee. He put it down and said," seems alright to me".

I guess you would have to of been there LOL!

I hope, in some small way, this helps.
 
Is it an advantage to float like a cork? :wink: I mean, it is easier to get up with the bouyancy, but isn't it a lot harder to get down also?

I don't know if I would call it an advantage to float like a cork, but there is some inherent safety to being able to float like a cork.

Freedivers will weight themselves using weights and a weight belt. They will also usually use a rubber belt that will compress as the diver and the suit compresses with depth. They will usually weight themselves so that they a neutral at 30fsw, right around 2ata.

Freedivers can experience something called shallow water blackout. They can go down and stay down long enough that they actually use most of the oxygen in the bodies. Boyles law still applies to freedivers. When the ascend their lungs re-expand as well. The greatest change occurs in that last 30ft. During that last 30ft, the lungs can actually pull oxygen out of the blood causing hypoxia leading to sudden blackout.

If they are neutral at 30fsw, that means they are positive at 29fsw. SWB is most likely in the 15-20fsw range and they'll be positive then. They will at least float to the surface.

In the last couple years I've started to do some freediving. I really love it. I got myself a dive computer that will do both FREE and SCUBA. It tracks my surface interval for me. I got myself some Cressi Gara 3000 fins. I'd love to get an actual wetsuit for freediving. The fins make a big difference. With my SCUBA fins (OMS Slipstreams) I may have to make 20 kicks to get to 15-20 ft and I've used a lot of oxygen to do that. In my Cressi's it is like two or three kicks. Big difference. Last year in Bimini we were consistently getting to 55-60fsw. We couldn't yet stay that long, but in the 30-40fsw range we could stay for a 1.5-2 minutes.

You can get so close to animals that you just can't get to with SCUBA on. My buddy has had some fantastic dolphin encounters while freediving.

You've got a lot of UW hunters out there. I'm sure that you have some freediving instructors out there. I'd give them a buzz and chat with them.
 
I do not think the gear is as important as ones style. I can remember once complaining about my Les Paul Guitar, how something was apparently wrong with it because it wouldn't play right......until this guy walked over, picked it up, and started playing ," Going Home", By Alvin Lee. He put it down and said," seems alright to me".

I guess you would have to of been there LOL!

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You shoulda' had a Strat. hah !

To the OP, you'll need a warm wetsuit in San Diego at those water temps. And you'll float like a cork for sure. This could be a good thing while learning to breath and move around with fins. As mentioned gear selection isn't that big a deal at this point. You'll most likely LOVE whatever you get. But I would recommend a black silicon mask. It helps shade the glare of the sun while on the surface and you can see down better.

The wetsuit bouancy will make it a bit more difficult once you get into diving down. You'll have to kick hard, even properly weighted (to be neutral at 30 feet or so as mentioned by H20 70) and once you get down below that and your wetsuit compresses, you'll sink like a rock so you have to watch your depth.

I like it as much as scuba diving at this point. You'll have a lot of fun.
 
I think we're beginning to stray beyond the topic of snorkelling. The Original Poster, Pardreamer, has told us that he is interested in snorkelling, that he wants to purchase some snorkelling gear and that he can swim 200 yards unaided. He doesn't mention breath-hold diving to 30 feet or more as one of his learning objectives and his revelation that he can swim 200 yards, presumably on the surface, suggests that he may be more interested in the horizontal plane, freeswimming with fins, mask and snorkel (for long-distance open-water swimming or swim-hiking purposes), than he may be in the vertical plane, i.e. freediving.

In other words, we shouldn't make assumptions about where the OP is heading snorkelling-wise. He's a beginning snorkeller and needs to spend time acclimatising himself to open water before deciding whether he wants to swim across, or dive below, the waves and if both, at what pace he wishes to proceed. He and we mustn't get ahead of ourselves.
 
I think we're beginning to stray beyond the topic of snorkelling. The Original Poster, Pardreamer, has told us that he is interested in snorkelling, that he wants to purchase some snorkelling gear and that he can swim 200 yards unaided. He doesn't mention breath-hold diving to 30 feet or more as one of his learning objectives and his revelation that he can swim 200 yards, presumably on the surface, suggests that he may be more interested in the horizontal plane, freeswimming with fins, mask and snorkel (for long-distance open-water swimming or swim-hiking purposes), than he may be in the vertical plane, i.e. freediving.

In other words, we shouldn't make assumptions about where the OP is heading snorkelling-wise. He's a beginning snorkeller and needs to spend time acclimatising himself to open water before deciding whether he wants to swim across, or dive below, the waves and if both, at what pace he wishes to proceed. He and we mustn't get ahead of ourselves.

He's also presumedly not 6 years old and WILL rapidly move ahead and actually do some death defying free dives to 30 feet. Or I guess we could just kill this thread now that you've told him all he needs to know at this point. He can start another thread after he comes home from bobbing around in his 7 mil wetsuit. :D
 
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