Buy a strobe or a wide angle wet lens?

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JulianX4

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Hi all,

I recently bought a Sony RX100, thinking I will also use it for UW photography, because the housing for my DSLR would be way too expensive.

I will probably soon buy the Patima housing which seems to be great considering price and performance.

The question now is, if I should invest in a wide angle wet lens or in a strobe (aiming for the D-2000). What would you suggest? I only really have the money for one.

My diving trip is still 6 month away, so I have some time to decide.

Regards,
Julian
 
A strobe (or two) would be my #1 priority, no question in my mind about it. Lighting underwater is vital.
 
For myself, I would agree with James above. However, the optimal choice depends on your goals and style of photography.

A strobe gives you several advantages.

The first advantage is restoration of natural color. As you descend in the water column, the longer wave lengths of light from the sun are absorbed. Red light and therefore red colors are gone at 15'. Orange, yellow, green and blue follow in that order. If you are down about 80', it is a blue world. Now I have taken photos of fish against what appeared to be a muddy grey background. When I looked at the photo later, the background was actually a garish blend of red and orange. So if you are looking for "natural" colors, you will want a strobe. Remember if you are shooting in shallow water of 30' or less, the loss of color may not be that critical to you.

The second advantage of a strobe is the fact that you just have more light. This allows higher F stops and faster shutterspeeds.

The third advantage of a strobe is the fact that the strobe's duration is very short. Even with a moderate shutter speed, if most of the light is from the strobe, you can get some stop action just from it.

The fourth advantage is backscatter. If you have the strobe light coming in a from an angle illuminating your subject without illuminating the intervening water column between your camera sensor and subject, the nasty stuff in the water will be nearly invisible. Done just right, strobes can make water look clearer than it really is.

So there are quite a few advantages for strobes.

What are the advantages for wide angle? The closer you get the better. The more water between you and your subject, the worse it is. If you are taking photos of large subjects: landscapes, wrecks, divers and big fish, unless you have a wide angle, you just can not get them into the field of view unless you are pretty far away. "Far away" in underwater photography terms is anything greater than 5". I have a Tokina 10-17 fisheye for my DSLR. I can get a shot of a diver at less than 3' and that really helps.

If you want vibrant colors at depth and you shoot primarily close ups of smaller critters, the strobe is the way to go. If you don't care so much about the colors and you want to take photos of landscapes and large subjects, well the wide angle is the route to go.

It also depends on just how picky you are about your photos. There are plenty of people around who just want snap shots who are perfectly happy with point and shoot cameras without strobe or wide angle. If you want more than that, you will probably want to get both eventually.
 
Strobe for sure, unless you are adept at shooting natural light scenes in shallow very clear water, so a lot depends on what your shooting interests are.
If scenic reefscapes without a well lit foreground subject are your thing and you are diving in warm, clear water then the wide angle will be useful. For almost any other scenario the strobe is where most of us would point you.
Bill
 
+1 on Strobe
 
I have the RX100 that I actually only use for video Interceptor121 Underwater Video

This camera can't really perform with the internal flash for macro, it just does not work well focuses badly even with a focus light so if you want to do anything macro you need a strobe AND a diopter which adds to your cost

On the other hand the camera is great on video and for that you definitely need a wide angle

Where are you going for your trip? You may need more wishes for Christmas
 
Thank you all very much for the great responses.

Out of water I am not at all a macro photographer. Under water it is probably different, because there is so much going on, but I'm not sure.

I'll go diving in Indonesia, Gili Air. Although probably I'll do a lot more snorkeling than diving. Considering that, a wide angle lens would probably be the better choice, but only if I have nice sunshine I guess and even then, the colors would not be that nice if I understand correctly.

Is there a cheaper strobe than the S2000 which is still a good choice? Or would I be disappointed later and have to buy twice?
Same for the UWL. Is the INON UWL-H100 28M67 a good choice? Any cheaper options?

Currently if I buy everything (Patima housing, S 2000 strobe, INON UWL-H100 28M67 and Inon D4 handle) it will cost me 11.154 CNY here in China which is roughly 1360 Euro. I was hoping to get below the 1000 Euro.

@PatW you asked in your reply how picky I am. I guess I am very picky.

There is one thing that still nags at me, and that is, that I only go diving once a year or so and it hurts to spend so much money for equipment I rarely use...
 
The sea and sea YS-01 works with the rx100. Don't buy a strobe without slave TTL you will regret it
You can save some money buying the epoque DCL30 instead of the Inon and getting a DIY locline arm instead of a metal one
 
My suggestion: Housing first > Strobes (1 or 2 which is better) > macro lens instead as rx100 seems work great for macro photography > wide angle lens (not recommend if you do not own any strobe), not to mention the reason because others have explained very well :)

but of course, when you invest on strobes, it cost higher than lenses as you need to get yourself arm and tray set etc.

---------- Post added December 19th, 2012 at 02:56 AM ----------

Thank you all very much for the great responses.

Out of water I am not at all a macro photographer. Under water it is probably different, because there is so much going on, but I'm not sure.

I'll go diving in Indonesia, Gili Air. Although probably I'll do a lot more snorkeling than diving. Considering that, a wide angle lens would probably be the better choice, but only if I have nice sunshine I guess and even then, the colors would not be that nice if I understand correctly.

Is there a cheaper strobe than the S2000 which is still a good choice? Or would I be disappointed later and have to buy twice?
Same for the UWL. Is the INON UWL-H100 28M67 a good choice? Any cheaper options

i've been to Gili and you will probably need a macro lens instead, it's macro wonderland. You can get inon ucl 167m67 which is very cheap, below RMB1300.
For cheaper wide angle lens, maybe you can get UWL-04 (there's 3 brands producing the lens - fisheye, fix and i-das), guess you can actually get cheaper price for fix or i-das at taiwan or hongkong. But you need a 52/67 thread converter as it's M52. If i didn't make any mistake, i-das does come together with the converter in their package. Price around RMB2700 or lower.

cheaper strobe, i suggest sea&sea ys-01 with ttl mode. But not to forget, you need arm sets for the strobes, for wide angle shoot, it's recommended with a longer arm, which meant it's more expensive.
 
Strobe.....

---------- Post added February 2nd, 2013 at 08:10 PM ----------

I have the RX100 that I actually only use for video Interceptor121 Underwater Video

This camera can't really perform with the internal flash for macro, it just does not work well focuses badly even with a focus light so if you want to do anything macro you need a strobe AND a diopter which adds to your cost

On the other hand the camera is great on video and for that you definitely need a wide angle

Where are you going for your trip? You may need more wishes for Christmas

"AND a diopter".......(My pet peeve here)....A diopter is a unit of lens power measurement ie reciprocal meters...Example: spectacle or contact lens powers are measured in diopters---lets say a (-)2.00 lens for 2 diopters of myopia etc etc etc.....I think you're referring to a macro lens,....no??..

EDIT:...didn't mean to interrupt this thread, but as an eye care specialist for over 36 years, this 'term' sounds inaccurate.......carry on ......:)
 
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