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what can one expect to learn that can not be found on the internet if time permits?


Real world application, full explanations as to the why's and how's, and advice from someone you know actually dives.
 
what information should one expect to learn that can not be found on the internet if time permits?

You're kidding, I hope.

The configuration posted above is more than just the GUE adopted standard, it was popular before they even came around, and if pretty much how I see most divers around here set up their doubles. If you want to deviate from it, you should have a very good reason,

Tom
 
You're kidding, I hope.

The configuration posted above is more than just the GUE adopted standard, it was popular before they even came around, and if pretty much how I see most divers around here set up their doubles. If you want to deviate from it, you should have a very good reason,

Tom

Well, I deviate from it and I do have a very good reason. here it is so get ready to take notes. I deviate from it bacouse I Chose to.

My advise to all divers is don't just be a follower. Don't ever take the stance that because most other people do "it" a certain way that makes their way the only and most correct way for "you" to do "it" that is the attitude of a corpse in waiting.

At the same time don't just do things and see what happens. Think about what your are doing and have a reason for it, no mater where the idea came from. You don't need to prove your reasons to anyone but your self. This goes back to it is your life and you damn well better take the responsibility to keep it.

Most people going on doubles are going deep or long. Either way you are likely leaving behind the recreational diving safety of NDL and quick ascents to the surface. There are those that just dive in (forgive the pun) without learning anyting and there are those whom go through some wonder class but don't ever think for them selves. By the time they get out of it. They often learn to do what they are told to do but don't understand why, they don't think. They believe that so long as they have that card in there pocket everything will be fine. These classes with thier idology mills are churning out more and more divers that have no clue why thier gear is configured a certan way other than that is the DIR way, or GUE way, or some other way, but that won't stop them from propagating their faith, or attacking anyone that deviates. These are the bodies we are asked to retrieve. and if you look around in there stuff you will usualy find that magic card.

If a diver can't explain purpose for a particular gear configuration to your, "your" satisfaction then leave some space between you and them.

That being said, the topic of gear configuration. there is really not that much to gear configuration, there are only a small number of components and this is why most divers configure them the same, as well as most courses. They all have some good ideas and good points and you should "think" about it and "decide for your self" what works for you.

you can learn alot from the internet, and courses, and other divers, heck any where you look you can learn or catch a good idea or a better one or what have you. anyone whom says that you cant is not trusting you to use your brain and think through what you are doing. I am trusting you to use your brain, in fact I am trying to point out that you have to use your brain, if you don't it is only a mater of time.

you don't have to go get a certification but I think these courses if you have access to them are a good idea. but take your brain with you, remember that your best buddy is your brain.

Expose your self to anything and everything you can then decide for your self. don't be narrow minded be open minded and critical. don't believe that just because some idea is not part of the "system" you where tought that is is inappropriate or nonviable, think for your self (I feel like Brian)

This roled into a bit of venting obviously. so I apologize for that, my intent is not to make people mad. but I am still posting it. I also mentioned GUE and DIR a couple of times in examples but please understand that I am not saying that those methods are not good ones. I dive a combination of these methods depending on the dive, as Tom pointed out most divers gear distills down to very similar setups, as I said thier is not that much gear to be configured.

I am trying to point out that no method is a good one if you don't understand it and believe in it, it doesn't mater if it is a popular one with a name such as GUE or DIR or if it is just what your local dive instructor teaches you. And I refuse to take the responsibility to tell you what the "right" way is (that would be arrogant at best), but I will show you my way AND EXPLAIN WHY I DO IT THAT WAY. I am trying to point out to all that you have to determine the right way and once you have, have faith in your decisions. But not rigid faith, if someone comes up to you and shows you a way that YOU determine to be better then by all means adopt it. If you are afraid to, if you don't' think you could make good decisions like this just to deviate from your tought gear configuration or anything else then please don't dive at all.
 
These classes with thier idology mills are churning out more and more divers that have no clue why thier gear is configured a certan way other than that is the DIR way, or GUE way, or some other way, but that won't stop them from propagating their faith, or attacking anyone that deviates. These are the bodies we are asked to retrieve. and if you look around in there stuff you will usualy find that magic card.

What??! What bodies have you been asked to retrieve that have GUE "magic cards"? Please answer this question directly. What bodies? How many? You should be careful what you post, because if you can't back it up with real numbers and it turns out to be utter horse droppings, everything else you have to say loses all credibility.

So, exactly how may GUE diver's bodies have you been asked to retrieve?

Let me bet every piece of gear I own that you have NEVER taken ANY GUE class, and therefore know not of what you speak.
 
That kinda seemed like a long winded way of saying the same thing I did :wink:

The 'Standard' way is a good starting point, and you won't go wrong if you start off that way. It will also teach you a lot about your gear if you look into the reasons for it being set up the way it is. It isn't popular because of some cult ritual, it is popular because most people have independently reasoned it out and found it to be the best setup for their situation. If you reason things out and come up with a better way for you, then just make sure you give it enough thought. Not because its unpopular, but because its unproven.

I've dove with quite a few DIR divers, and they've always understood the reasons behind everything they do. If someone has the need to be a follower, they have easier options than DIR. In fact the PADI mentality that is ingrained where I live pretty much makes me the guy on the fringes deviating from the norm.

Tom
 
Well, I deviate from it and I do have a very good reason. here it is so get ready to take notes. I deviate from it bacouse I Chose to.

My advise to all divers is don't just be a follower. Don't ever take the stance that because most other people do "it" a certain way that makes their way the only and most correct way for "you" to do "it" that is the attitude of a corpse in waiting.

At the same time don't just do things and see what happens. Think about what your are doing and have a reason for it, no mater where the idea came from. You don't need to prove your reasons to anyone but your self. This goes back to it is your life and you damn well better take the responsibility to keep it.

Most people going on doubles are going deep or long. Either way you are likely leaving behind the recreational diving safety of NDL and quick ascents to the surface. There are those that just dive in (forgive the pun) without learning anyting and there are those whom go through some wonder class but don't ever think for them selves. By the time they get out of it. They often learn to do what they are told to do but don't understand why, they don't think. They believe that so long as they have that card in there pocket everything will be fine. These classes with thier idology mills are churning out more and more divers that have no clue why thier gear is configured a certan way other than that is the DIR way, or GUE way, or some other way, but that won't stop them from propagating their faith, or attacking anyone that deviates. These are the bodies we are asked to retrieve. and if you look around in there stuff you will usualy find that magic card.

If a diver can't explain purpose for a particular gear configuration to your, "your" satisfaction then leave some space between you and them.

That being said, the topic of gear configuration. there is really not that much to gear configuration, there are only a small number of components and this is why most divers configure them the same, as well as most courses. They all have some good ideas and good points and you should "think" about it and "decide for your self" what works for you.

you can learn alot from the internet, and courses, and other divers, heck any where you look you can learn or catch a good idea or a better one or what have you. anyone whom says that you cant is not trusting you to use your brain and think through what you are doing. I am trusting you to use your brain, in fact I am trying to point out that you have to use your brain, if you don't it is only a mater of time.

you don't have to go get a certification but I think these courses if you have access to them are a good idea. but take your brain with you, remember that your best buddy is your brain.

Expose your self to anything and everything you can then decide for your self. don't be narrow minded be open minded and critical. don't believe that just because some idea is not part of the "system" you where tought that is is inappropriate or nonviable, think for your self (I feel like Brian)

This roled into a bit of venting obviously. so I apologize for that, my intent is not to make people mad. but I am still posting it. I also mentioned GUE and DIR a couple of times in examples but please understand that I am not saying that those methods are not good ones. I dive a combination of these methods depending on the dive, as Tom pointed out most divers gear distills down to very similar setups, as I said thier is not that much gear to be configured.

I am trying to point out that no method is a good one if you don't understand it and believe in it, it doesn't mater if it is a popular one with a name such as GUE or DIR or if it is just what your local dive instructor teaches you. And I refuse to take the responsibility to tell you what the "right" way is (that would be arrogant at best), but I will show you my way AND EXPLAIN WHY I DO IT THAT WAY. I am trying to point out to all that you have to determine the right way and once you have, have faith in your decisions. But not rigid faith, if someone comes up to you and shows you a way that YOU determine to be better then by all means adopt it. If you are afraid to, if you don't' think you could make good decisions like this just to deviate from your tought gear configuration or anything else then please don't dive at all.


Why don't you update your profile, because according to it you should not even be diving doubles or recovering bodies. Let me go one step further and throw up a BS flag on you for the part of "recovering GUE divers" or any other ones.
 
What??! What bodies have you been asked to retrieve that have GUE "magic cards"? Please answer this question directly. What bodies? How many? You should be careful what you post, because if you can't back it up with real numbers and it turns out to be utter horse droppings, everything else you have to say loses all credibility.

So, exactly how may GUE diver's bodies have you been asked to retrieve?

Let me bet every piece of gear I own that you have NEVER taken ANY GUE class, and therefore know not of what you speak.
That's what I thought.
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Give me your shoe Brother! :)

Score yourself one bonus point at this time.
 
That kinda seemed like a long winded way of saying the same thing I did :wink:
...
Tom

yea, pretty much.
But I was trying to point out that thinking for ones self is valuable. And yes I know many very good divers of almost all approaches, and very bad divers of almost all approaches. that was my point, and not only in response to you, well not really in response to you, but all of the posts in this thread that say things like "never trust the internet only trust what you learn in the one class that i suggest that you take" (a posting on the internet of course) et cetera.

A new person asks a question and get's a couple of responses with value and a lot of indoctrination. Sorry man.
 

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