Bahamas: Missing Female Diver

[Cave Diver]

Yeah, I had to watch it several times at full resolution to get all the numbers and a few still weren't perferctly clear. The PSI at 1:19 is the one that really jumps out to indicate that at least some of the footage is presented out of order. But then again, I just have an overly suspicious mind.

 

[bowlofpetunias]

That's a good point that was brought up recently in the other accident thread. I believe it was Thal that mentioned the value in a diver having a personal limit, decided before hand that they felt comfortable with when helping another diver. It's not a decision you want to make under stress.

Not just from the perspective of Diving. I have not been in a rescue situation while diving (thank God) but have been in plenty in my life as Paramedic and doing First Aid Coverage.

Think it over, work it out in your head in advance because when the Ship hits the Sand there isn't time. You have to work from training and programming that is why first aid, scuba and rescue training are so repetitive. When the adrenaline is pumping and your brain is in Holy Cow mode your body has a memory of what to do. When the brain catches up hopefully those programed reactions will have kept you from messing up or missing something.

After the fact you can look at it in a clear head and review it based on statistics. Having made your decision on what your limits are in advance mean you are less likely to beat yourself up and be emotionally traumatized.

I bow to the better judgment and knowledge of the divers here who have masses more knowledge,experience and skill in the water than I will probably ever have when it come to the technical issues of this case.

I have enough training/experience on Critical Incident Management/Debriefing/Defusing to be comfortable putting my .02c in on that topic. I have seen people still traumatized years after an event they were not prepared for emotionally. I have seen people deal with horrific situations effectively because they were prepared emotionally. The only way to have a chance of coming away without emotional scars is to establish the limits you can live with in advance.

In the end.. it is better for YOUR LOVED ONES to say "My (insert relationship) IS my hero" and not "was a hero". Your loved ones have a greater right to have you in their lives than a random stranger.... do your best in limits that are safe for you and go home to the ones who love you!

Putting away my soapbox now.....

 

[shoredivr]

We are in Jupiter. Not Lauderdale or the keys. 3 knot currents are NOT that unusual. We had 3.5 at the surface the past weekend. It was maybe 2 and change at the bottom. People dive them, including visitors. People who are comfortable and experienced in the water do fine. We agree there too.

Kind of common up here, too: try drifting the St. Lawrence River near Brockville, Ontario or the Niagara River, or the St. Clair River. Parts of these rivers get up to more than 3kts, though.

Thompson Hole
YouTube - Thompson's Hole Current
St Clair River
YouTube - The ME Tremble - St Clair River Wreck Dive
Upper Niagara, fish eye view
YouTube - Diving the Upper Niagara

 

[Qnape]

...The last time I saw a discussion of this video, the consensus was that it was a fake.

By the way, roughly the last 60 posts have just about nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

While we await more details on the incident from the OP and others, I have contacted the maker of the video via youtube comments and suggested that he comment here. He asserts that the video is authentic, and was posted to urge divers NOT to rely on divemasters for their safety.

 

[Cave Diver]

While we await more details on the incident from the OP and others, I have contacted the maker of the video via youtube comments and suggested that he comment here. He asserts that the video is authentic, and was posted to urge divers NOT to rely on divemasters for their safety.

The videographer has contacted me and I've requested his participation in a new thread about the incident he captured on video. If he agrees to participate, I'll start the thread shortly.

Edit: Thread started here: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ne...924-bahamas-close-call-video.html#post4491122

 

[ahpoolman]

I was told by Qnape that there may be sceptics on the dive. I assure everyone that this dive was done on one take. There may be differences in a couple sequences of which video clip I choose at the certain time. Keep in mind when you video underwater that you need to turn your camera off every once in a while. What I was doing was showing the steepness of the wall and other specifics of the dive. I had to do alot of narraration with text for everyone to get the whole picture in a 3 minute video. I did render the video in a HD format for those who want to see it in better quality. I think the music makes the video more dramatic. This was my 5th video I ever made and I could have made a much better one than that now. This video was made for me to show the dangers of not abiding by what the DM says on the boat. Accidents happen. Dive Masters are not responsible for "Cert Divers" well being. I know they try but to me they are all just Tour Guides. We can all go diving anywhere in the world with an open water cert and get a tank from the local scuba shop. Whos fault would it be if there was no DM on that dive with you and your buddy?? I want to make people aware of the dangers of not doing the basics, checking air, checking depth, and more importantly checking your dive partners air. This situation could have been worse but it wasn't thank god. When your put into a double victim rescue alot of rules end up going out the window on how to save someone. When you have two victims that are in a dangerous situation your training has to kick in. I am cerified through PADI as a "Rescue Diver" I also was a US Navy Rescue Swimmer. Situations like this don't happen often but not alot of times they get caught on tape either. Remember I only have one extra regulator with 2 victims. I deflated their BCD's and had them hold hands. I did not want any air at all in their BC's because the air expanding would have been impossible for me to keep them down safley. I brought them up as fast as safely possible. I stayed with them at 15 feet for as long as I could ready to hand my sencondary to them. But at that time I kept it holstered not knowing which one it would be that would need it at the time. My computer was screaming at me the whole time. I did not decompress properly either but I also wasn't the one at 150 ft. for 10 minutes either. I welcome the comments. The more people that see this video the safer our diving community will be. I want to be clear that I don't blame any Dive Master. There are Scuba Shops around the country using this video as an aid for the first time dive "certs"
Aaron

 

[smile47]

Dunno. I recently learned in another thread that a quick bounce dive to 200' to recover a diver is no problem for an instructor that's been in tropical location for more than 6 months...

not something id want to do.

 

[Web Monkey]

While we await more details on the incident from the OP and others, I have contacted the maker of the video via youtube comments and suggested that he comment here. He asserts that the video is authentic, and was posted to urge divers NOT to rely on divemasters for their safety.

It doesn't matter if it's real. The "take-away" point to not be a dumbass or trust the DM to "keep you safe" is a valid one.

Terry

 

[Qnape]

It doesn't matter if it's real. The "take-away" point to not be a dumbass or trust the DM to "keep you safe" is a valid one.

Terry

I had this thought as well; even if contrived the video consisely delivers its cautionary message. At the same time, I felt the maker might want to comment. Welcome Aaron, and thanks for your contribution.

Glen

 

[ahpoolman]

Lets give this a try the video in HD Format is:
YouTube - Scuba Diving Accident Intervention Bahamas 12/04/08 HD