gue fundies pre reqs

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It's hard for somebody who hasn't taken GUE classes to understand what they are.

I've taken several, and not passed all of them. I've spent a LOT of money on the classes, and sometimes I have been pretty bitter about not passing them. In the end, with the passage of enough time, I've been able to see that what seem like virtually insanely picky standards, when I am trying to meet them, are actually requirements that, if I got that good, would mean I wasn't just a competent diver, but an elegant, or as David Rhea put it, "polished" one. It's very hard to admit you aren't that good. It's hard to acknowledge that the fitness requirements, non-smoking among them, are actually reasonable for the kind of diving they're trying to train people to do.

There are very few people who wouldn't learn something from Fundies. In my husband's class was a man with quite literally thousands of dives, hundreds of technical dives, in conditions unimaginable to us recreational divers. His personal skills undoubtedly trumped his instructor's. Where he didn't have the solidity was in being part of a team. He learned something from the class, too.

Fundies, if you have a local instructor, tends to run in the five to 600 dollar range, and will almost ceratinly be the best money you have spent on dive instruction, especially if you are not already technically trained.

I have my personal issues with a few GUE things, but GUE and UTD are two agencies that teach good things and teach them really, really well.
 
It's hard for somebody who hasn't taken GUE classes to understand what they are.

I've taken several, and not passed all of them. I've spent a LOT of money on the classes, and sometimes I have been pretty bitter about not passing them. In the end, with the passage of enough time, I've been able to see that what seem like virtually insanely picky standards, when I am trying to meet them, are actually requirements that, if I got that good, would mean I wasn't just a competent diver, but an elegant, or as David Rhea put it, "polished" one. It's very hard to admit you aren't that good. It's hard to acknowledge that the fitness requirements, non-smoking among them, are actually reasonable for the kind of diving they're trying to train people to do.

There are very few people who wouldn't learn something from Fundies. In my husband's class was a man with quite literally thousands of dives, hundreds of technical dives, in conditions unimaginable to us recreational divers. His personal skills undoubtedly trumped his instructor's. Where he didn't have the solidity was in being part of a team. He learned something from the class, too.

Fundies, if you have a local instructor, tends to run in the five to 600 dollar range, and will almost ceratinly be the best money you have spent on dive instruction, especially if you are not already technically trained.

I have my personal issues with a few GUE things, but GUE and UTD are two agencies that teach good things and teach them really, really well.

I'll take the five dollar class plz :)
 
So, let me see if I have this right -- if you wish to take Tech training from GUE, you have a to take a $1,200 course (plus travel costs or flying in an instructor?!) to pass what amounts to a pre-entry exam to tech training?

Kinda depends on what you're you're looking for. If you're just looking to get tech trained, full stop, there are certainly easier, cheaper and more accessible routes than GUE, especially if your attitude towards Fundamentals is that it's merely an obstacle to sidestep before getting onto the substance of the training, or your attitude towards tech diving is that you don't need the precision and focus on basic, personal and team skills that GUE and Fundamentals emphasize.

Very few of the people I've met approached Fundamentals solely as a stepping stone to GUE tech training. Many met and dived with GUE-trained divers and came away impressed with the quality of diving and the cohesion of the teamwork and what it does for their normal recreational diving.

Is that regardless of individual experience or certifications from other agencies?

Sadly, the short answer is no. If you're looking for an agency that teaches to similar standards but accepts reciprocity from other agencies, check out UTD. Note however that UTD still hold divers to similar standards as GUE, and whether you can skip their "Intro to Tech" class depends on the skills and teamwork you can display, not the card you can present from another agency.

My own guess is that many people unfamiliar with what was taught in Fundies would have quite a bit of extra work with the agency's specific protocols and standards were they to jump straight into a GUE tech class, so the agency's lack of reciprocity may not make that much difference in the end.
 
Marc are you planning on stumbling up here in 2010?? :eyebrow:

That would be fun. I'll see what the peeps' schedules look like. I'm sure Nick would want to go.
 
...would mean I wasn't just a competent diver, but an elegant, or as David Rhea put it, "polished" one. It's very hard to admit you aren't that good.

Yeah they are not cutting you loose from T1/C1/T2/C2 classes to bumble around and finish learning on your own. A graduate is a reflection of their program and better look good too.

UTD, in my experience, is slightly more focused on thinking and less on looking elegant than GUE.
 
i really appreciate all the input. im definetly going to take the class this year its jsut a matter of when and what country :D ill be off in march but i dont think ill be in the US. i might be in south america somewhere or possibly thailand again. but in June i will definetly be in fl.
 
Oh, I wish it were generally so! Then there would be no reason ever to teach Fundies to people in single tanks. But in fact, VERY few people can find this kind of instruction anywhere within the traditional class structure. Unless they are lucky enough to run into an instructor with not only advanced training, but GOOD advanced training, they'll never be exposed to these ideas short of a Fundies, Essentials, Cavern or Intro to Tech class.

In the northeast, I would suggest Trace Malinowski. A great instructor/teacher who
fits this bill!
Tech Expeditions Instruction

I believe he is TraceMalin on this board.

All the best,
Geoff
 
yes, he is. he has the best back kick i've ever seen.
 
Bob Sherwood told me Trace is the most beautiful diver he's ever seen in the water . . . :)
 
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