General Vortex Incident Discussion

[Blow.Fish]

 

[Docc]

This is a question directed to Kevin, Mat or anyone else in on the recovery effort of late.
I am going to term this in medical parlance since the analogy seems to fit...are there a significant number of veins or capillaries (offshoots) from the main Artery of the cave of Vortex? Were you able to explore every one? I have looked at rudimentary mapping of the cave system but wondered what it was really like in there.

Well that was very nice, polite, and well stated. Proof that a little spanking goes a long way.

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

Not to take away from your post, but ummm, could you explain it please.

 

[PfcAJ]

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[ucfdiver]

But it's a personal choice. I know divers who smoke, including cave divers. Big deal! It's a vice they have to contend with. It may increase their air consumption a little, but other than that there's not much of an effect on their diving. I don't feel that it's an issue that DIR and WKPP divers are smokers.

Anyone who's addicted to a substance doesn't need to be diving where there's no direct access to the surface IMO. The state has faith in the WKPP's high standards, and having addicts "supporting" when their mind is elsewhere (waiting for the next "fix") is totally unacceptable IMO. Furthermore, it causes increased co2 retention as well as less efficient decompression.

As a RN and instructor, I'm surprised that you don't see an issue with that.

Edit- Smoking typically LOWERS breathing rate, but I could care less about a divers SAC rate as long as it's planned for,

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

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Thanks, I think.. You got all that from looking at 2 lego people standing over another, my screen must not be showing everything you are seeing.

 

[Rick Murchison]

... It may increase their air consumption a little, but other than that there's not much of an effect on their diving...

I don't give a rat's tail about GUE or DIR and smoking, but there is a definite smoking effect that divers need to know and digest when evaluating the smoking and diving compatibility issue.
Smoke paralyzes the cilia that line the passages of the lungs. Without the constant sweeping motion of the cilia, things - mucous, dust particles, pollen, smoke particles, assorted other crud - stop moving up and out, and build up in the lungs until the cilia can recover and get 'em moving again. This elevates the chance of a piece of crud getting stuck in and blocking an alveolar duct. That is, that particular alveolar sac is "holding its breath," regardless of how well the diver otherwise obeys the #1 rule of SCUBA.
This can lead to very bad things.
Diving is a very good reason to add to the heap of other reasons to quit smoking.
Rick

 

[UCFKnightDiver]

Thanks, I think.. You got all that from looking at 2 lego people standing over another, my screen must not be showing everything you are seeing.

There's a faucet too at his head. lol

 

[irishsquid]

Anyone who's addicted to a substance doesn't need to be diving where there's no direct access to the surface IMO. The state has faith in the WKPP's high standards, and having addicts "supporting" when their mind is elsewhere (waiting for the next "fix") is totally unacceptable IMO. Furthermore, it causes increased co2 retention as well as less efficient decompression.

As a RN and instructor, I'm amazed that you don't see an issue with that.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but; I don't follow this (bolded above) completely.
A person who enjoys an occasional cigar or pipe, say once or twice a week with weeks or a couple of months in between may have an arguable "addiction". However, having their mind elsewhere, waiting for the next fix is a stretch. IMO.
The rules are the rules though, and it's a choice to follow. Play and Pay.

 

[Rick Murchison]

... when their mind is elsewhere (waiting for the next "fix") is totally unacceptable IMO...

Are you talking about smoking? Ridiculous. When I was smoking, and especially when I was quitting (had my last cigarette Oct 31, 1987), the one thing I could do that would absolutely, positively, reliably, always, 100% of the time keep my mind completely off any thought of smoking was to be underwater.
Rick