General Vortex Incident Discussion

[ucfdiver]

And it's educational, too. I'm not a smoker and don't know these details about smoking.

The only good thing about smoking is that cigarette taxes are one of the few ways to tax the poor in this country.

 

[cruiser]

The only good thing about smoking is that cigarette taxes are one of the few ways to tax the poor in this country.

Lottery does that, too, at least in Texas.

 

[Dive-aholic]

Anyone who's addicted to a substance doesn't need to be diving where there's no direct access to the surface IMO. The state has faith in the WKPP's high standards, and having addicts "supporting" when their mind is elsewhere (waiting for the next "fix") is totally unacceptable IMO. Furthermore, it causes increased co2 retention as well as less efficient decompression.

As a RN and instructor, I'm surprised that you don't see an issue with that.

Edit- Smoking typically LOWERS breathing rate, but I could care less about a divers SAC rate as long as it's planned for,

You are implying that you have no addictions whatsoever? Smoking isn't quite as bad as you are portraying it...at least not smoking tobacco. Care to list the studies that show smoking lowers breathing rate? My own experiences and personal observations have shown otherwise.

I don't give a rat's tail about GUE or DIR and smoking, but there is a definite smoking effect that divers need to know and digest when evaluating the smoking and diving compatibility issue.
Smoke paralyzes the cilia that line the passages of the lungs. Without the constant sweeping motion of the cilia, things - mucous, dust particles, pollen, smoke particles, assorted other crud - stop moving up and out, and build up in the lungs until the cilia can recover and get 'em moving again. This elevates the chance of a piece of crud getting stuck in and blocking an alveolar duct. That is, that particular alveolar sac is "holding its breath," regardless of how well the diver otherwise obeys the #1 rule of SCUBA.
This can lead to very bad things.
Diving is a very good reason to add to the heap of other reasons to quit smoking.
Rick

First, I don't condone smoking and diving. And while this information is correct, to some extent, how many diver incidents or fatalities can you cite that were directly related to smoking? There are much bigger concerns with smoking than diving...like the fact that it will likely shorten one's life, lead to COPD, lead to lung cancer, etc. Diving and being a smoker are low on that list of issues.

There aren't any names, just more S#17 talking and dancing around the issue from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Believe what you want to believe. I'm sure it makes you feel like a big man. This is the last time I'll state this - You don't need to know. You aren't important enough to know. It's none of your business.

 

[DennisS]

The only good thing about smoking is that cigarette taxes are one of the few ways to tax the poor in this country.

It also cuts down on the amount of money Social Security has to pay out.

 

[PfcAJ]

Looks like someone got caught in a lie and doesn't know how to get out of it. Bravo!

And James, stop being an addict.

 

[diverdoug1]

I bet the state (who issues the permit) cares....

Dude, REALLY? The whole smoking issue aside, we are talking about the Florida State Gov. Do you really think they give a rat's ass? We both live in the sunshine state, you know they could care less about BS like this. They hardly seemed to care about the internal organization of the WKPP immediately after the incorporation, so I find it hard to belive they would really care about the smoking issue. On the other hand, if you got booted out because of smoking, then you are out, and the state stands behind non-WKPP not going into "no man's land" (and that is another off topic topic that could be an even hotter hot potato). I just think you are giving our buddies in Tallahasse a little too much credit!

 

[ucfdiver]

And James, stop being an addict.

I was thinking that through. Maybe he's referring to having a beer 3 weeks ago? Or depending on a Tylenol sinus last week when I had a headache? Not really sure on that one...

Or maybe it's just one of these....

 

[LiteHedded]

what the hell does any of this smoking crap have to do with Vortex or the missing diver?

hey i tried to get someone to get this thread on track about 100 pages ago. i figure it's all fair game now

 

[SuPrBuGmAn]

boring :/

 

[ucfdiver]

boring :/

Fine, I'll spice it up.