Why No Fundies for DIR Agnostics

[gsk3]

gsk -- Yes, the "holistic nature" of the "DIR System" exists -- but just because you can't get the whole enchilada doesn't mean you can't eat anything! Sometimes having some is better than having none.

For sure. I just see a lot of people spend serious $$ on diving gizmos they don't need and then are reluctant to spend <$300 for a decent BP/W solution. But yes, I think Primer should be opened to those in back-inflate BC's as well. Not sure how feasible it would be in a jacket-style BC with air pockets wrapping around the front....

 

[djtimmy77]

if GUE put out a "Groupon" for fundies training, for <$200 out the door, there might be a lot more interest. That is the current going rate for OW training around here. Most people I know don't see diving as an incredibly complex task and are perfectly happy with the bare bones training.

I am sure I would enjoy the training and learn a few things, but I'm not about to take the time and $$ to do it. Thankfully I glean as much as I can on here and also my regular buddies (mentors) are all tech-trained with a lot of experience.

 

[elan]

if GUE put out a "Groupon" for fundies training, for <$200 out the door, there might be a lot more interest. That is the current going rate for OW training around here. Most people I know don't see diving as an incredibly complex task and are perfectly happy with the bare bones training.

Fundies are not intended for the new divers , fundies assume you already have a certification and more or less proficient with the basics like buoyancy.

GUE if I remember correctly has GUE Rec1 that takes people with no diving certs and teaches them. For the price I saw they have way better program then a PADI by the book program in OW and AOW. I donno where that 200 price is coming from but when I did my OW checkouts in Florida and we were calling around the price was around 200-250 for the checkout dives only.

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

But yes, I think Primer should be opened to those in back-inflate BC's as well. Not sure how feasible it would be in a jacket-style BC with air pockets wrapping around the front....

Could you elaborate on this some?

Cave Excursions

I took CDS-NSS Intro to Cave in my vest BC. My instructor did not even bat an eye with regards to my BC. Rented his larger than AL80 tank, with H-valve and 7' alternate off "his" 1st stage. There was never even one word from either Bill or my classmate about my SeaQuest ADV during either Cavern or Intro to Cave.

 

[mikemill]

if GUE put out a "Groupon" for fundies training, for <$200 out the door, there might be a lot more interest. That is the current going rate for OW training around here. Most people I know don't see diving as an incredibly complex task and are perfectly happy with the bare bones training.

I am sure I would enjoy the training and learn a few things, but I'm not about to take the time and $$ to do it. Thankfully I glean as much as I can on here and also my regular buddies (mentors) are all tech-trained with a lot of experience.

When you break down the cost per hour the training in GUE and UTD are both really cheap. I paid ~$20/hr for my UTD Essentials class and about the same for my UTD Scooter class. So really it is quite cheap for what you get.

Also, I don't know of any GUE/UTD instructors that teach the classes as loss leaders like my Dive Shops doing with their OW classes.

 

[ScubaFeenD]

For sure. I just see a lot of people spend serious $$ on diving gizmos they don't need and then are reluctant to spend <$300 for a decent BP/W solution. But yes, I think Primer should be opened to those in back-inflate BC's as well. Not sure how feasible it would be in a jacket-style BC with air pockets wrapping around the front....

Yeah. I always love the guys that will buy a 1200$ regulator with a transmitter, and an 800$ data mask, but scoff at the idea of getting ~600$ in training that can teach you to calculate your gas consumption and gas remaining on the fly AND tons of other stuff. Its less about the expense of the course (which 600 for 4-5 days isn't bad) and more about people easily being duped into spending oodles of money on gimmicks so that they can exist with the illusion that they know whats best and they can figure that out themselves. The only question at that point is whether the person is of the ischemic or hemorrhagic type.

And Peter. You are right. Individual skills can be taught, but to rob the person of the holistic aspect is cheating them out of the real value in the DIR system. No problems with teaching good classes (at is appears you do), but I think too often instructors advertise some easily identifiable aspects of DIR in their courses so that they can milk students who dont know better and dont get the real training you can get in a GUE course.

 

[danvolker]

GUE skills without the the DIR.....kinda like teaching "combat martial arts skills" to all the rowdy drunks at a gin mill

 

[elan]

Some of the techniques like back kick assumes you have a good balance and your trim is more or less good otherwise it will be full of frustration. If your tanks are trimmed well you are horizontal and you do not need to fin to maintain your orientation they become so easy.

 

[elan]

Yeah. I always love the guys that will buy a 1200$ regulator with a transmitter, and an 800$ data mask, but scoff at the idea of getting ~600$ in training that can teach you to calculate your gas consumption and gas remaining on the fly AND tons of other stuff. Its less about the expense of the course (which 600 for 4-5 days isn't bad) and more about people easily being duped into spending oodles of money on gimmicks so that they can exist with the illusion that they know whats best and they can figure that out themselves. The only question at that point is whether the person is of the ischemic or hemorrhagic type.
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I agree. I think the problem lies in the instant gratification disease. If you pay a grand for a shiny gimmick that you can get right away you feed the shopping desire and stay "happy". With good training you have to suffer and go through frustration. People do not like that.

 

[knowone]

And, of course there are many out there, that are naturals, and may, have
many aeons of diving skills that prefer to subscribe to the cult of DIP diving
and spend their time, looking at things, and conducting their own challenges
whilst doing it properly, and who, have the psychological makeup, to also do
it solo, which is in combination, the mostest, optimum, ultimate diver, builder
constructor.