Logging Dives

[Griffo]

This is probably a very silly question, but I was wondering what actually constitutes a logged dive as far as the certification path goes.
To explain, I recently completed my OW certification with an agency that didn't actually have any logbooks at the time. As such, I don't have any "stamped" dives in my logbook either for the cert course, or for the following 8 dives I did post course.
I have logged all these on the SSI online dive-log, but do these count? Do I need to have the dives signed or stamped by an SSI instructor for them to count? Or does the Instructor "update" SSI on the number of dives I have in my log whenever I complete a new course?

 

[eponym]

This is probably a very silly question, but I was wondering what actually constitutes a logged dive as far as the certification path goes. To explain, I recently completed my OW certification with an agency that didn't actually have any logbooks at the time. As such, I don't have any "stamped" dives in my logbook either for the cert course, or for the following 8 dives I did post course.
I have logged all these on the SSI online dive-log, but do these count? Do I need to have the dives signed or stamped by an SSI instructor for them to count? Or does the Instructor "update" SSI on the number of dives I have in my log whenever I complete a new course?

Since you've had no replies yet, I can speak to how SSI works in the US . . .

if I issue a new cert to a student (online with SSI) there is a place to enter number of logged dives. It shows up on the c-card. I get that info directly from the student, not from their online logs (which are not available to me). The next time that shop issues you another cert, that prompt for number of dives will appear and can be updated.

If your instructor wants to see proof of your dive count perhaps you can print out the online logs for him or her to review. The lack of boat stamps and divemaster signatures will perhaps be less important than your instructor's overall impression of you and your experience. By the way, SSI standards say each OWD student must have a physical logbook for training and training dives.

As to "what actually constitutes a logged dive as far as the certification path goes" I would not want to see a whole bunch of 15-minute dives. Thirty to forty minutes is I think a reasonable average bottom time for relatively new divers, especially in warm water. The SSI training standards were revised a year or two back to specify a minimum 20-minute average bottom time for Open Water training dives.

Hope this helps,
Bryan

 

[Davemohio]

Bear in mind I am not an Instructor or a rep from a dive agency.

Your training dives should count. Generally most training agencies require them to be 20 minutes.

I agree with the above post. I count recreational dives that are anything over 20 minutes.

 

[Griffo]

Great. Thanks for the informative replies. Much appreciated.

Guess I have some transcribing to do

Cheers

 

[Davemohio]

Great. Thanks for the informative replies. Much appreciated.

Guess I have some transcribing to do

Cheers

Good deal. I "believe" Padi and SDI require the physical log books as well. Every class I have been involved with required the Instructors to sign off on the actual books.

The subject of dive logs is very much up to the individual diver. Some people don't log dives, some do it online, some write in the bare minimum. Some oddballs like me write a book, with the stamps and signatures and stuff.:shocked2:

 

[Stepfre]

Was Open Water Certifying agency SSI? According to SSI standards all students must be supplied with all course materials which includes the Open Water Training Manual, the Tables, and a Log Book. this kits is purchased along with the training record folder for each student from SSI that each dive shop trains and is built into the cost of the course in most shops. IMHO if a LDS or Dive instructor is not issuing all that is required by standards to be issued how much of the skills are they short cutting as well.

 

[Griffo]

Was Open Water Certifying agency SSI? According to SSI standards all students must be supplied with all course materials which includes the Open Water Training Manual, the Tables, and a Log Book.

Correct. The instructor was great, just the shop was hopeless. They claimed that they had just run out of stock. They also continued to lie to me post course as to the reason they coulnd't supply the divelog etc. In the end I got in contact with SSI. I don't want to go into details, but in the end I got everything directly from SSI (a big thanks to them). Unfortuantely by then the instructor had left the shop and the country, so there was no way for me to get the logbook signed with all the diving activities. Thus this thread.

 

[Stepfre]

Keep the bastards honest and name the shop here so people who read these threads know who to avoid that should encourage shops that charge outrageous prices for courses and do not supply all that is required and covered in the price to do the right thing. When you pay for a newspaper you would complain if 20 of the middle pages were missing would you not. So why put up with it from a dive shop, especially when the shop is not conduct business and courses according to SSI standards.

 

[tdtaylor]

By the way, new to the forum.

Glad to hear it worked out. I have to say my shop (SSI) is very through in this regard, sometimes to the point I can't believe all the required signatures and stamps. I do keep a log with basic info, but download my dives with my Suunto software, which provides easy attachment of photos, comments, and complete dive profiles.

My dive shop has also provided me with quite a few diving opportunities and lots of good advice.

From the sounds of it, hope they are out of business. You need to find a GOOD dive shop.

 

[knowone]

The entry prerequisite for the next
course or level of diving is based on
the diver and not 100 twenty minute
dives.

Nor will the decision be made by goat herders calling for the closure of shops

and had the instructor been so great, they before leaving the country should wipe their arse.