Article on Ben McDaniel - Vortex Springs Case

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that is what is important about a film like this. If it is made right, it will bring the knowledge that there is a reason for these restrictions to those who are contemplating the shortcuts.

The importance of training and experience is a thread throughout the film. We don't tip-toe around it. Untrained, inexperienced people have no business in Vortex, or any other overhead environment, and there are several well-known divers who voice that opinion in Ben's Vortex.
 
How come no one got the Navy Experimental Diving Unit down in PCB to shoot a ROV into the cave? That would be a good training evolution for them plus they wouldn't have to wash the gear after.
 
ROVs were tried and failed. Ask Kevin.
 
How come no one got the Navy Experimental Diving Unit down in PCB to shoot a ROV into the cave? That would be a good training evolution for them plus they wouldn't have to wash the gear after.[/QUOTE
A ROV was used, it was guided by qualified cave divers. They were told it would not work because it will not fit in the small sections of cave. They now know we were right.
 
How come no one got the Navy Experimental Diving Unit down in PCB to shoot a ROV into the cave? That would be a good training evolution for them plus they wouldn't have to wash the gear after.

Actually, the Coastal Systems Station, which is also located at Panama City Beach, is the more adept group. They have prototype acoustic and magnetic sensors AUVs that can assess whether there are metal tanks in the cave. The acoustics will be limited because of the reverberations from the cave walls and sand but their magnetic sensors should easily provide the sensitivities required for determination of whether there are metal tanks buried within the cave parameters. This exercise is of interest to the Navy in its prototype efforts of developing advanced sensors for underwater applications. They have yet to be contacted.

ROVs were tried and failed. Ask Kevin.
A ROV is directly tethered (i.e, a wire connects it to the surface) while an autonomous underwater vehicle (AUV) has no wire as the vehicle is preprogrammed. The ROV that was previously used in this investigation was video only and it had a wire to the surface. It was also apparently too large in diameter to extend range into the deepest opening in the cave. A magnetic sensor equipped 7-1/2" diameter AUV (such as a Remis 100 vehicle) can provide an assessment of whether a metal tank is buried in there or not. The ROV that was utilized in this investigation is 1990s technology at best.
 
Scuba gypsy you are correct but there is NO reason that should be done and more money wasted. It would be physically impossible for him to be back farther than where people have been. Any other attempts are a big waste of money.
 
Scuba gypsy you are correct but there is NO reason that should be done and more money wasted. It would be physically impossible for him to be back farther than where people have been. Any other attempts are a big waste of money.
It is often in the Navy's interest to extend its capabilities with respect to applications in evaluating its prototype systems. This particular application provides a unique opportunity that may offer further insights into the use of underwater sensing devices under development. That this technology might prove whether there are buried metal tanks in Vortex or not is really secondary to whether these prototype systems can provide an assessment in such an overhead environment which may be of strategic military value in future operations. In other words, it is likely that spending an afternoon at Vortex with a NSWC-PCD magnetic sensor AUV may provide some confidence for use in other unknown future operations.
 
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... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
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