Bitterness of Scuba Instructors

[Hank49]

Why not? Is it inappropriate to stand up for yourself in a group? Is it inappropriate to stand up for others in a group?

You seem to feel that I am being inappropriate by observing that impoliteness exists on SB, rather than just accepting it and trying to fit in. This idea is really foreign to me; I'm kind of taken aback by it, frankly.

Let's say you're a guest at someone's house, and the husband starts yelling at the wife. I think most people in this situation would say something like, "Hey, man, chill." I don't think they'd say to themselves, "I'm a guest in this house, it's not my place to expect them to change."

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your post.

You're not really joining a group you have chosen when you post here. It's more like going out and driving down the highway. In here, we're all divers, out there we're all drivers.
You're going to run into all sorts out there and in here. But you don't pull everyone over and reprimand or question them for cutting you off or not giving you right of way. You just flip them off and drive on. It's always going to be like that.
And you won't stop driving because of that so don't start saying you're not welcome here. And remember, as the famous Uncle Pug once said, "we are programmed to receive....". Enjoy the ride.

 

[ve6raj]

We're not off topic? It started out as the OP decrying the bitterness of instructors and has evolved into him sulking about how he doesn't belong and everyone else handling him with little kid gloves so he doesn't take his ball and go home.

Sorry.... missed that bit. My experience is exactly the opposite so I guess I was in denial.

 

[gcarter]

Yes, I'm beginning to get the message now.

When I first started pointing out the rudeness trend of SB there were at least as many people agreeing with me as disagreeing with me. But lately I'm getting a lot more disagreement on the subject, and now people are telling me I may not belong here.

Which is the same as saying that I'm not wanted here.

If this is your take-away, then I think you are trying too hard to look for hidden meanings. Sometimes words mean exactly what they say. Whether people agree with you or disagree with you means nothing. You have a right to your opinion, to assert it, and to defend or not to the degree you see fit. I do not see anyone saying you do not belong here. What I do see is people suggesting that if you are very rigid in your thinking, you may not want to be here. There is a big difference, and is not more or less true here than it is for any large social group.

And if I did continue to participate in a forum where I'm not wanted, I really would be a troll (as several have called me).

And frankly, being criticized (now by 2 posters) for standing up for the wife who's being yelled at by the husband--well, I think you're right, I really don't belong here.

Everything is contextual. IMO, the scenario as presented is deliberately inflamatory. What if the wife yelled at the husband? Either yelled at the kids? A kid yelled at a neighbour? Disagreement on when something gets to the point where one should intervene is almost always as much contextual as anything else. As presented, and as defended, and as I read it, the implication is that yelling is a certain precursor to domestic violence - an inflamatory context.

Having said all of that, let me be absolutely clear - disagreement with any of your statements in this thread or elsewhere does not mean I consider you to be disagreeable or that I consider that you should not be here or that you do not have as much right to speak your mind as anyone else. I would hope that you could get past this apparent mindset.

If you can't, that is your choice and should not be laid at the feet of any other poster here.

 

[stevensamler]

Ok then, bury it and move on.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

You're not really joining a group you have chosen when you post here. It's more like going out and driving down the highway. In here, we're all divers, out there we're all drivers.
You're going to run into all sorts out there and in here. But you don't pull everyone over and reprimand or question them for cutting you off or not giving you right of way. You just flip them off and drive on. It's always going to be like that.
And you won't stop driving because of that so don't start saying you're not welcome here. And remember, as the famous Uncle Pug once said, "we are programmed to receive....". Enjoy the ride.

... more like flipping off everyone who drives an SUV because someone in a SUV cut him off. The premise of the OP is a pretty broad brush ...


... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Doppler]

... more like flipping off everyone who drives an SUV because someone in a SUV cut him off. The OP makes no distinction ... the assertion is that all scuba instructors are bitter.

That's a pretty broad brush ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Not sure how you feel about it, Bob... seems bitter to me!


OK, can we move on now!?

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Not sure how you feel about it, Bob... seems bitter to me!


OK, can we move on now!?

Yeah, I edited it after reading it because it sounded more harsh than I wanted it to. I like Matt ... I enjoy reading his posts ... but in this case, I disagree with the basic premise. As I said initially, I've never met an instructor in person who feels that way ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Jax]

Yeah, I edited it after reading it because it sounded more harsh than I wanted it to. I like Matt ... I enjoy reading his posts ... but in this case, I disagree with the basic premise. As I said initially, I've never met an instructor in person who feels that way ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

The original post you made before you edited seemed fair enough, Bob . . .


So, how many instructors must one taste to come to the conclusion that all of them are bitter?

 

[Doppler]

The original seemed fair enough . . .


So, how many instructors must one taste to come to the conclusion that all of them are bitter?

pick me, pick me!

 

[Diogenesdemar]

So, how many instructors must one taste to come to the conclusion that all of them are bitter?

Now that you mention it, I was kinda wondering why I have never, ever come across an instructor I found to be bitter . . . perhaps I just haven't been tasting enough? Maybe it's a regional or, possibly, seasonal cuisine thing? I really don't know . . .