HOG First Stage Regulator question

[kr2y5]

I didn't buy anything this Black Friday, but if you are talking about backordered items then that is usual for HOG. I had a surface marker buoy backordered for months from DRIS until I decided to take a Zeagle one instead. I ordered a wing from Piranha and that took a while to receive also.

Interesting... I did not think this was more common. I was told my black Friday order was going to wait until mid-February. In one of the places I called, I was told that some of the popular black Friday models were in fact discontinued, and they bought pretty much all the remaining stock. I am confused...

if $470 is the price, that's going to ruin his market share because the only thing he has going left is the parts availability, but most of us have ways of getting them from Hollis and Dive Rite. To jump that D3/Zenith from $325 to $470 though is going to run most people away.

Good for you, for those of us not connected or affiliated with dive shops, the availability of parts and training was a major selling point. I know for me that was pretty much the whole reason. I am not prepared to pay $470 at this point, either... but then again, now that I'm already several reg sets invested in the future of this experiment, I just hope that the company doesn't go out of business or change their policy with respect to the availability of parts to individual divers... whatever it takes... if they need to charge more to stay alive, then so be it.

 

[tbone1004]

Dive Gear Express has publicly available parts kits by the way, the key is just knowing which shops to ask for the parts kits from.

https://www.divegearexpress.com/regulators/parts_diverite.shtml
RG5100 and RG5200 btw

https://www.divegearexpress.com/regulators/parts_hollis.shtml
Hollis parts there

Most of the dive shops I'm "in" with I've never actually stepped foot in btw, no reason for them to be an LDS. You won't get official manuals from any of the companies, but Hog has never published them. Hell, they didn't actually write their own manual, DRiS did it for them.... and I think Jim just did a revision for the D3/Zeniths. The point is, you can openly buy all of Dive Rites kits, just not get the published manuals for them, but the Apeks manual works just fine if you have half a brain and have been trained on any of the comparable regs.

 

[kr2y5]

Yeah, I suppose in theory, after reading through Regulator Savvy and having serviced a few regs, one should indeed be able to crack open any unfamiliar regulator, and manage just fine without a published manual. I still would not dare to service my Aqualung regulators, though I guess a day will come, sooner rather than later, when that one last taboo will have to be broken I think in addition to the places you listed, the crazy John at NESS is known to stock many of the rare items.

 

[tbone1004]

why wouldn't you dare. Take one apart, they look the same as the hogs..... Service is basically the same too. One of the big issues that led to the HOG course was people were following the Dive Rite manuals for the first stages instead of the Apeks manuals for the second stages. This led to HP damage because the order of operations was reversed for putting the adjusting spring in. Apeks had it one way, Dive Rite had it another, Dive Rite published their manuals and the regs were all but identical for the D1 and the RG3, so was safe to assume it was same order of operations, but DR had better HP seats and I believe more round crowns, so they could handle being put in there in that order without having too many issues. Apeks had a bad round of HP seats a while back so changed their regulator OoO to prevent that issue and those of us treating it like a DST were fine, those that treated it like a RG3, not so much. The Aqualung regs both have their full manuals below, and odds are they're written well. Not going to bother looking because I have no intention of ever taking one apart, but I wouldn't be scared of it.

http://www.frogkick.dk/manuals/aqualung/

 

[Garth]

D1 all the way. Hope they don't get rid of those.


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[SubAquatix]

D1 all the way. Hope they don't get rid of those.


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As long as you remember they are not recommended for stage or deco setups.

 

[WarrenZ]

Why not? I dont know if I've seen that anywhere.

 

[SubAquatix]

The D1 does not use a captured O-ring on the turret. This mean that, with the valve closed, a normal situation for a stage or deco bottle, the first stage could de-pressurize, which could lead to the first stage flooding. This is not a fault of the Hogs, just a potential design issue found in a number of similar regs.

For uses where the valve may be turned off pending use, the D3, with a captured o-ring, is preferred.

 

[decompression]

The D1 does not use a captured O-ring on the turret. This mean that, with the valve closed, a normal situation for a stage or deco bottle, the first stage could de-pressurize, which could lead to the first stage flooding. This is not a fault of the Hogs, just a potential design issue found in a number of similar regs.

For uses where the valve may be turned off pending use, the D3, with a captured o-ring, is preferred.

How many times has this happened to you? Thanks.


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[tbone1004]

inline shutoffs on deco and stage regs. Problem solved....