Long hose without can light

[Magnus Lundstedt]

I am totally against arguing.

I am not arguing! I am just explaining why I am right.

 

[Lorenzoid]

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Interesting how some stuff is Hogarthian but not necessarily GUE followed.

From what I have read, I get the impression that "Hogarthian" is a loosely defined term. I read that Bill Hogarth Main doesn't adhere to some of the things that have been referred as "Hogarthian." To me, the term means a minimalist combination of BP/W, a long hose with a primary reg, and a bungeed backup reg, nothing beyond that. I'm guessing Mr. Main wouldn't care how you manage any excess hose length.

 

[tbone1004]

From what I have read, I get the impression that "Hogarthian" is a loosely defined term. I read that Bill Hogarth Main doesn't adhere to some of the things that have been referred as "Hogarthian." To me, the term means a minimalist combination of BP/W, a long hose with a primary reg, and a bungeed backup reg, nothing beyond that. I'm guessing Mr. Main wouldn't care how you manage any excess hose length.

go find him in cave country and talk to him. He still dives very regularly and Ginnie is probably the most reliable spot to find him, just don't look for what you would expect to be his gear. based on the term "hogarthian".
That said, I do believe the management of the hose length is something he agrees with the "hogarthian" bit on, though to my knowledge he is not using a canister light at the moment. I.e. don't bungee it to your tanks, but alternate long hose management on the hip is something you have to figure out on your own.

 

[burak]

I use a 5' hose and route it under my right arm. It works with or without light.
For me it's fine for open water since I don't see the necessity of a 7' or 8' hose when not in cave (not that I do cave diving).

 

[halocline]

I use a 5' hose and route it under my right arm. It works with or without light.
For me it's fine for open water since I don't see the necessity of a 7' or 8' hose when not in cave .

I do exactly the same thing; 7ft hose in cave, 5ft in OW. On the few times I've been stuck with the 7ft hose in OW, I tuck it in the waist band. It works but it's not nearly as convenient or comfortable.

Regarding whether a particular piece of gear is 'hogarthian approved' or not, I believe that you just need to remember the guiding principle of taking what you need and nothing more; and the resulting process of carefully evaluating the necessity and function of each piece of gear. When you do that, it's very difficult to conclude that a 7' or 8' hose in OW is necessary or even desirable.

So the idea of adding more gear to mitigate the problem of a too-long hose is not hogarthian IMO. In the real world, if you're stuck with using the longer-than-necessary hose, it's hardly a big deal to either stuff it or come up with something to hold it in place (personally I like the weight-torpedo). But it's not hogarthian.

 

[Marie13]

Some will also use slightly shorter 5 foot hoses for rec diving so there's no need for it to go around your hip area.

I threw up my hands at stupid octo holders of all sorts and went to a long hose last week after octo came out of holder on both boat dives in one day. LDS manager suggested a 5ft hose for me since I'm only doing OW dives now and since it's better for my height. Also switched to the din version (bought used from someone I know). I had of my yoke reg (I changed secondary to the 2nd stage from the din set so both second stages are exactly the same - AL Legend LX Supreme).

Long hose goes across my chest rather than down to my waist. Works a charm. Nothing dangling all over the place. Dove with it at the quarry ahead of wreck class (with limited penetration) this coming weekend.

 

[Lorenzoid]

I found a 5-foot hose to be just short enough that it put a slight torque on the reg in my mouth--just enough to be annoying. It probably works great if one is petite like Marie. Although others have solved the torque problem by adding a swivel or angle fitting at the second stage, I chose to upsize to the 7-foot hose and have never looked back. Some might argue that the swivel or angle fitting is contrary to the supposedly Hogarthian principle of minimalism. A potential failure point? Unlikely, but not an unreasonable argument. Then again, a couple of "extra" feet of hose that you'll almost never need in open water isn't minimal, either.

 

[halocline]

For some people the 5ft hose is a few inches short, but not 2 ft short.....

I guess the ideal is to experiment by connecting two shorter hoses with a coupler, (I did that for a while) then order a custom hose. They're surprisingly not expensive. It would be great if someone offered a 5'6" hose.

 

[KevinNM]

There are also some very tall people who find convenient a longer than 7 ft hose.

 

[Jack Hammer]

If I don't have a canister I just route the hose under my knife on the left side. Works very well and unlike tucking it in the belt it stays In place.