Possible DCS

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@RainPilot Thanks for the reply.

No doubt my anxiety has run away with me and I am slowly reeling it in, unfortunately for me to do that properly I need to really understand the principals and some I were confused about.

"After a week you would be completely off gassed in any conceivable sense so where's the problem?"

This is what I really wanted to nail down, if my headaches were from too much saturation/mild DCS, bearing in mind I have tried to find neurological ills and I seem fine, meaning that surely no permanent damage, at least that I can notice has occurred. This is assuming it was DCS. So if this was the case can the body still off gas the N2 that was causing me headaches? or after a week will there still be some there and if/when I dive again, all be it much more conservatively, will that residual N2 affect me?

Rambling a bit but I hope this makes sense.

Thanks everyone,
 
@doctormike once again excuse my naivety, does this mean that the chamber is used only to save lives/prevent permanent damage in DCS cases? What I mean is say someone had DCS, that affected their vision for example and joints, if they didn't attend a chamber but abstained from diving, it means that the body would still off gas but the N2 could have caused permanent damage due to being in the affected tissue for soo long?

Profile was not planned for deco but photography gets hold of me and a nice bommie appeared at 23/22m which held my attention for too long. Mistake I know, hopefully one I haven't paid for. But they are the lessons you learn.

Better to ask DCS questions of DDM or one of the decompression experts around here (like Dr. Mitchell). But basically, DCS is the term for the clinical manifestations of tissue injury that result from inert gas (like N2) transitioning from the dissolved state (in a liquid) to the free state (bubbles).

All divers need some sort of pressure gradient to get rid of excess dissolved gas, to get it to be exhaled through the lungs. The pressure gradient happens on ascent, and if you let that gradient get too big the transition happens forming bubbles. Therefore, all decompression strategy involves avoiding injury by ascending fast enough so that most of the gas goes directly from the dissolved state to the lungs and out within a reasonable amount of time, but not so fast that the gradient gets big enough to cause that transition.

The mechanism for tissue injury is poorly understood, but classic DCS may be a local inflammatory reaction to the bubbles. There is also, as you mentioned, DCI which includes DCS but also larger bubbles crossing from the venous circulation to the arterial circulation through one of a variety of pathways, and then ending up blocking blood flow as they "embolize", most critically in the brain. This is an AGE (arterial gas emboli).

A recompression chamber is for people who have not avoided that transition, and have bubbles which cause injury. The chamber reduces that gradient which causes the bubbles to transition back to the liquid phase, and then gives the diver another chance at a more appropriate ascent strategy including periods of time breathing no inert gas at all (pure O2). This both treats the clinical injury caused by the bubbles, and aims to eliminate the excess N2 safely through the lungs. Patients with residual tissue injury may get benefit from more than one treatment.

If a patient has non-fatal DCS and doesn't get recompressed, their symptoms could go away on their own as they naturally offgas, or the bubbles could cause injury that persists even after the excess N2 is gone. There is a bell curve for everything. In my case, my symptoms resolved breathing O2 at the dive site, but I still had a chamber treatment on the advice of DAN. After a certain length of time, recompression is unlikely to help with DCS since the problem now is the residual tissue injury, not the fact that the excess N2 never left the system.

As far as sinusitis, that's more in my wheelhouse. I'm reluctant to diagnoses anyone over the Internet for that, but you didn't describe any sort of sinus squeeze or other features that would suggest that specifically, and headaches are such a common symptom that sinus barotrauma is only one of many possibilities. For more than that, you would need an exam and possibly some sort of sinus imaging.

Finally, we won't beat you up TOO badly for letting a fish put you at risk for serious injury, but I hope that your DCS scare (even if it isn't likely to be that) will make you understand the issue with unplanned deco. If you don't have the gas to deal with your required decompression, next time it could be a lot worse. Don't let the fact that you may have gotten away with it this time lead you towards normalization of deviance.
 
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Ok so I spent 20 minutes typing out a badly worded version of what @doctormike said above.
 
Full discosure: I’m a doctor in math and not medicine but this really sounds more like Munchausen’s Syndrome than DCS. Especially with the warning in the OP’s preamble.
 
@doctormike big thanks for the lengthy reply. Appreciated very much. @RainPilot it's the thought/action that counts! Thanks

That is pretty much as I understood it. So why after injury and subsequent treatment in a chamber, some patients are given long no flight times and even longer no dive times after? Surely this would only apply if residual nitrogen was left? (I have heard no flight times of a couple of weeks and no dive times of three months?)(these sources weren't the most reliable mind you) My fear is that if I dive before I have completely off gassed I will be in a much worse situation.

@tridacna sounds very much like what I have except I don't feel I do it for attention? Could be subconscious I guess…. I am not pretending though, right now I have a headache/pressure in my sinus region. I did feel a little 'off' after my last dive and have had an intermittent 'headache' since.

I am asking these questions on the basis I do/have had DCS, the diagnosis means nothing to me in a way, I just want to try my best to weigh the risk of diving again over possible injury. I may/probably have not had DCS, but no harm in being cautious.

If my headache is from residual nitrogen, a constitutional DCS for instance, and now the headache is still here from the damaged tissue, (I have off gassed), is there any literature that suggests damage tissue is more likely to relapse DCS?

Once again, I really do appreciate all your time.
 
@doctormike big thanks for the lengthy reply. Appreciated very much. @RainPilot it's the thought/action that counts! Thanks

That is pretty much as I understood it. So why after injury and subsequent treatment in a chamber, some patients are given long no flight times and even longer no dive times after? Surely this would only apply if residual nitrogen was left? (I have heard no flight times of a couple of weeks and no dive times of three months?)(these sources weren't the most reliable mind you) My fear is that if I dive before I have completely off gassed I will be in a much worse situation.

The US Navy manual says 72 hours after treatment for DCI before flying. I think that's a little extra buffer to make sure that you are completely outgassed. Also, there is some evidence that local tissue hypoxia (low oxygen levels) is one of the things contributing to the development of clinical DCS, so being at altitude (especially with the risk of loss of cabin pressure) can be a problem for recovering tissues. Again, it's not so much residual nitrogen itself, but the tissue damage that was caused by the bubbles and the time it takes for that damage to heal once the bubbles are gone.

The Navy says that if treatment is successful, wait 7 days before returning to diving for Type I DCS, and 30 days for Type II (neurological, cardiovascular) or AGE. I assume that this is primarily to make sure that the patient is fully recovered and that injured tissues have had time to heal, not because there is residual N2 in the system that takes a month to fully clear...
 
I am asking these questions on the basis I do/have had DCS, the diagnosis means nothing to me in a way, I just want to try my best to weigh the risk of diving again over possible injury. I may/probably have not had DCS, but no harm in being cautious.

If my headache is from residual nitrogen, a constitutional DCS for instance, and now the headache is still here from the damaged tissue, (I have off gassed), is there any literature that suggests damage tissue is more likely to relapse DCS?

Once again, I really do appreciate all your time.

Luke,

Given your description and stated history, I think it is safe to say that you were not bent then and you're not bent now. The sinus thing is questionable; I suspect that your headache is as much related to worry as anything else. Careful of those rabbit holes.

Best regards,
DDM
 
Diving and pressure is very good at exaggerating other problems and ailments in your body, that you may not yet be aware of yet. A general bad feeling like you describe, can be a pre-cursor to something else non-diving that is yet to be discovered.

From my own experience, For a week of diving, I felt off and not right with facial pain. Turned out to be a bad tooth and the need for a root canal. The dentist found the issue a few weeks later through regular check ups. But I wasn't able to locate the problem and did not suspect that.

Same story again for a sinus issue I had too, that eventually needed an Op to fix.

Trying to locate the source of facial pain can be difficult as its a rather vague sensation.

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I suffer from severe health anxiety, regardless of if any condition is currently afflicting me I am very much anxious about it.

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