Is training needed for an OW diver to switch to necklaced secondary and primary donate?

What is needed for an OW diver to switch to necklaced secondary primary donate?

  • Reading, advice, videos, practice

    Votes: 29 47.5%
  • Informal in person mentoring

    Votes: 17 27.9%
  • Tuneup by any instructor

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tuneup by instructor who dives that way

    Votes: 6 9.8%
  • Doubles/DIR class

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 9.8%
  • That is bad, so you shouldn't anyway

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Not informed on teaching needs, but want to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .

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Under RAID I teach it from OW. My class uses only bp/w and longhouse from the start. Once completed they can try a jacket / octo setup.. If they really want to
Thanks Patrick.

Under RAID is there a class where it is first alway taught.

Though I am starting to feel take X class is less the answer that take 'refresher' or 'tuneup' with a knowledgeable instructor that uses necklaced secondary primary donate. *If* formal is desired, which is not yet the question.
 
Excellent, thanks Max.

That is not yet the question though. The first question is where can you learn it formally.

and that I think is simply answered as any agency taught in this country, at the basic OW level. You can NOT learn it from BSAC as they believe in secondary donate firmly due to a myriad of reasons that I agree and disagree with, but you CAN learn it from all of the major agencies globally.

From most agencies, it is not "always" taught. You can't primary donate in sidemount, and can't in a rebreather. Outside of the "DIR" oriented agencies *NAUI Tec, GUE, UTD, ISE, etc* that actually mandate a specific equipment configuration, the others just say you must have a long hose that can be donated for a single file exit.
 
Thanks Patrick.

Under RAID is there a class where it is first alway taught.

Though I am starting to feel take X class is less the answer that take 'refresher' or 'tuneup' with a knowledgeable instructor that uses necklaced secondary primary donate. *If* formal is desired, which is not yet the question.

Raid is moving towards standardising bp/w longhose.. Currently I don't know any instructors that don't teach like that, but it is still allowed
 
The first place I "learned" it was a NAUI technical configuration primer (forgot the specific name). I was "self taught" with an Air2 25+ years ago, and I was self taught long hose/necklaced second, introduced to it when I joined ScubaBoard some years back, and looked at some YouTube videos.... Dove it a few years before taking my tech classes. Nobody around here dives that way besides me, and my buddy whom I converted....

All training around here is old style with two 40" seconds...
 
I asked someone who wore their gear in a Hogarthian fashion and they explained it to me. There are also photos and videos online that show the simplicity of it. I don't think a class is necessary to learn something that could be explained in a couple of minutes.


Yes, a reasonably intelligent person can learn how to donate from a long hose without taking a class.

However, there are a couple little details that can make a big difference.
  • Holding the mouthpiece down while moving the primary towards the OOG diver and then turning it towards his/her mouth will save precious time.
  • Ducking your head in the beginning of the donation will prevent your mask from being ripped off
  • Taking your time when transitioning to the backup and purging it properly will save you from having to cough out water.
  • Folding the long hose into a loop makes it easier to get it back over the head.
  • Pulling the long hose loop stuffed under the waist belt backwards towards the plate prevents it from slipping out.
  • Clipping the primary off when it is not in someone's mouth or hand will prevent a serious rubber snake pit.
  • ...
Plus, as mentioned before, the long hose is one part of a bigger picture that is worth understanding. Whether Joe Diver then agrees with these tenets or not is his choice but it would be better if s/he could make an educated choice.
 
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@Lobzilla and don't use a 5'/7' hose with a snorkel on your mask....
LOL
Plus probably another dozen potential blunders that are not covered in the videos.

BTW: My snorkel is screwed to a rafter in my dive den as a reminder not to buy anything without understanding its long term value (or lack thereof).
 
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I, the OP, changed the title and question to 'what is needed ...', and added that as a poll. Tbone's response that any OW class must be able to teach primary donate, given the existence of Air2's, is well taken.

Thanks all.
 
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I voted 1 as I think that's the highest priority, but it's a tossup between the two. If you have #2, then #1 isn't necessarily needed since #2 will take care of that bit. If you don't have #2, you can obviously do it with #1, but like learning sidemount without an instructor, you'll come across some little nitpicky stuff that would not have been an issue if you had #2
 
I think a little time with someone who knows what theyre doing would be helpful.

Its not hard to find people who watched a video or read an article by god-knows-who that totally miss the mark. I saw a guy with the long hose wrapped repeatedly around his neck. Farm animal.
 
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