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The Meg adv plunger is so dang tiny its really easy to carry a spare. They are cheap too. They can also be sourced at any decently stock automotive shop. So just because its not a "scuba shop part" doesn't mean its not serviceable.

I'm not sure I agree that carrying and using ~3gm 9V battery pigtails as a backup is a weak point? Part of why the meg (pre15) is usable anywhere is that anything from a 5 to a 10V battery is ok. Compare with a shearwater predator that can only take a relatively hard to source saft battery.

Sure, neither of them are a big deal, but it's more stuff to keep track of. Much easier to grab a couple 9v's at whatever store happens to be around the corner, and they fit without needing an adapter. I agree that having the ability to use multiple power sources is great, but there's the trade-off of utility vs. ease of sourcing components when you really need it. It's also much easier to get second stage guts pretty much anywhere if you're diving. And quite a few ADV's only use internal components, so they're moderately brand neutral. "If I fits I sits" as it were. I've been several places where there's more than one dive shop, but not an auto parts store in miles, let alone maybe even on the same island.

Like I said before, it's not really a big deal, Meg's are as close to bombproof as a rebreather gets, it's just something else to think about and bring along. If my spares kit can be nothing but a cell and a few o-rings that's less to keep track of than a bunch of specific components. I definitely agree with the Predator thing though, although I have a couple 14500's I use instead. When it dies it'll get swapped with a Petrel and then it'll use anything. One of the reasons I like AA and C-cell backup lights is because it's two fewer sets of rechargeables I've gotta bring and stay on top of when I'm traveling. If I blow up an 18650 there's no guarantee I'll be able to find another one. Again, it's a trade-off between bringing enough spares to not have to worry about sourcing stuff in an austere environment, and having commonly available stuff that you can find anywhere. Ultimately, you do what you have to do to dive.

In the context of the OP, speculating on the reasons for popularity and weight, if the goal is something light and easily packable to travel, then unit popularity might go out the window. If the goal is easy sourcing of parts and ready access to maintenance, picking up the lightest unit might not be possible. If the travel aspect is most important, it may be preferable to choose a unit with the most commonly available (and non-rebreather specific) parts to ease the potential maintenance issue.

Either way I don't think any unit is popular enough to have a random dive shop stock a bunch of parts, outside a few certain places where there is a large following of a particular unit (e.g. APD units in the UK). However, rebreather hot spots will be more likely to have access to several units parts supplies, PDC/Tulum, Northern Florida, etc. If one wants to frequent those locations, certain issues will be far lower on the list of requirements when choosing a unit.
 
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Then was your question simply one of curiosity, or do you have a goal in mind? I think the folks on here could be more helpful if we knew what you needed.
 
Then was your question simply one of curiosity, or do you have a goal in mind? I think the folks on here could be more helpful if we knew what you needed.
Well I want to get one soon. I am looking for something simple and light. Some of the units look huge and very complex. I have done reading on the topic but wanted to know what fellow SB divers think about it.
 
Keep in mind about this thing called Archimedes' principle. If you have to add a bunch of ballast to a unit to make it neutrally buoyant (or negative) in the water then you're not gaining much by having a "light" rebreather. And no matter what unit you're using, you will also need sufficient bailout gas to get you to the surface.
 
Well I want to get one soon. I am looking for something simple and light. Some of the units look huge and very complex. I have done reading on the topic but wanted to know what fellow SB divers think about it.

Sure... there is an irreducible minimal amount of "complexity" in these devices, but there are certainly some with more features than others. It's hard - without being a rebreather diver already - to decide if those are worth the tradeoff in complexity, maintenance, etc...

To take one example, some CCRs come with a system to indirectly monitor for scrubber use by looking at the temperature in the sorb. There are arguments for and against that, but it does add complexity. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? What other ways are there of defending against hypercapnea? So it's not just as simple as getting the least complex unit. Whatever unit you get, it's going to take a lot of specialized training and practice and maintenance.

My rebreather is a JJ. One of the reasons I got it and like it is that it has a very simple, straightforward, robust design. But it's certainly not one of the lighter units, and if you are planning on a lot of dive travel that is a consideration. On the other hand, I have taken it to Florida several times and to Bonaire and St. Croix without any trouble.

Not sure if you are in the NY area, but the availability of local training and service is an important consideration too.
 
If you have to add a bunch of ballast to a unit to make it neutrally buoyant (or negative) in the water then you're not gaining much by having a "light" rebreather.

Although if the OP is not diving locally but exclusively flying places to dive, that can make a difference.

Most of us went from doubles and deco bottles to CCR, so that's a useful comparison. My fully built rebreather plus a slung bailout tank is probably similar in weight to a set of doubles. But even though it's a "heavy" unit, it feels a lot less cumbersome. And getting fills is much easier. I live in NYC, so before CCR if I was going to go for a weekend of diving that meant dragging two sets of doubles and the deco bottles down to a local dive shop, leaving them for a fill, then picking them up. Lots of logistical overhead. Now I just have to fill two little 3L tanks that I can actually put in a messenger bag and take with me on the subway. Bailout gets filled once and (hopefully!) doesn't need refilling for the season.
 
Although if the OP is not diving locally but exclusively flying places to dive, that can make a difference.

Most of us went from doubles and deco bottles to CCR, so that's a useful comparison. My fully built rebreather plus a slung bailout tank is probably similar in weight to a set of doubles. But even though it's a "heavy" unit, it feels a lot less cumbersome. And getting fills is much easier. I live in NYC, so before CCR if I was going to go for a weekend of diving that meant dragging two sets of doubles and the deco bottles down to a local dive shop, leaving them for a fill, then picking them up. Lots of logistical overhead. Now I just have to fill two little 3L tanks that I can actually put in a messenger bag and take with me on the subway. Bailout gets filled once and (hopefully!) doesn't need refilling for the season.


OMG: Nicely described. Loved the part about going on subway with small tanks. Points about complexity and simplicity well taken. An elegant easy to service design is my optimal set. It is subjective of course.
 
Well I want to get one soon. I am looking for something simple and light. Some of the units look huge and very complex. I have done reading on the topic but wanted to know what fellow SB divers think about it.

It really is all based on your personal situation and every single individual situation is different.

What kind of diving do you do that is calling for the ccr?

Where are you going to do that diving? Does ease of flying matter? My meg setup will NOT fly at all. I can fly with my meg, but when I get to wherever I'm going it won't look much like it does right now.

What do your buddies dive? Is the reason they chose those rebreathers enough for you to consider that? i.e. if they're diving APD's and have been for 20 years is it because it was the only one available at the time and they haven't bothered to change? *that's a perfectly valid reason for them, but I would argue it may not be for you to follow that path based on that logic*.

What features do you deem necessary on a ccr? Does the solenoid matter or do you want to avoid it? Do you want older analog rebreathers where you have wiring harnesses running from the computer directly to the cells or do you want something that is modular and while inherently more complex, is much easier to repair with plug and play modules

All of that plays into the decision that you're going to make, but unfortunately lightest and most popular usually don't play a role. @kensuf hit it on the head regarding ballast and while the rebreather may be lighter for travel, you're just going to have to put lead on it before you get in the water.

@doctormike what local service really matters? Most of the time any electronics problems have to go to a service center, and I'm not sure of any up there other than JMI and if for whatever reason you decide to choose one with those electronics *shudder*, good luck because you'd have been better off shipping it.... Anything other than electronics is IMO something the diver should be responsible for on his own.

A couple things that may or may not be of popular opinion, but after having gone through this process a year ago is one that I'm pretty certain I'd do again.
Pick the instructor first, not the unit first. You should pick the instructor based on one that really knows what they're doing, ideally in the environment that you want to dive. I.e. if you only do mid-atlantic wreck diving, you probably shouldn't choose a CCR instructor that only dives caves and has never been in that environment. Consequently if you are a cave diver, you probably shouldn't take the course from an OW only instructor. There are skills that can be incorporated into your mod1 course that are specific to those environments that you can learn early. I.e. the way most instructors teach dil flushes is IMO stupid and not taught by the cave instructors who teach you the cave dil flush, don't want to have to unlearn skills if you can learn the properly the first way.
Don't feel obligated to buy your rebreather before you take the course. Try dives on a unit when you don't really know how to dive a rebreather aren't going to tell you a whole lot, especially when they are never really configured exactly right for you. Most instructors have several units and you can ask about renting one of them for your course. Adds a bit of expense to the course, but it will tell you if you really want to go CCR, and if you do, will then give you a better ability to look at different units objectively on what features matter to you or not. I know some of mine changed after taking my mod1 course and I'm glad I had a unit that I don't own because I do know it wouldn't be the one I'd purchase. I.e. I went with Ted McCoy and did my course on a Meg that was loaned to me. He can also teach the O2ptima, SF2, and several others and we went over a lot of the differences in those units throughout the course which helps you look at it differently.
 
@doctormike what local service really matters? Most of the time any electronics problems have to go to a service center, and I'm not sure of any up there other than JMI and if for whatever reason you decide to choose one with those electronics *shudder*, good luck because you'd have been better off shipping it.... Anything other than electronics is IMO something the diver should be responsible for on his own.

Well, I'm certainly OK with routine maintenance, but when i did the complete yearly rebuild I was happy to be able to drive over to my instructor's shop and do it with him the first time. That's not a trivial task, and there were several issues that we had trouble getting through (like rebuilding the DSV, and we had a problem with the ADV spring). I was glad to have him in my neck of the woods. But you are right, it's not absolutely crucial that you restrict your choice to a company that has a distributor in your immediate area. Just one consideration

Don't feel obligated to buy your rebreather before you take the course. Try dives on a unit when you don't really know how to dive a rebreather aren't going to tell you a whole lot, especially when they are never really configured exactly right for you.

Totally agree with this. So much of the discussion and decision making and consideration of tradeoffs really don't make sense until you are a certified rebreather diver. Yeah, you have to spend a bit more to rent a unit for the class, but I'm glad that I did it, and that I bought my CCR after getting certified. Made me much more sure that it was the one for me. Of course, you don't have to go out and get multiple certifications to compare, but it's really helpful to at least know what the issues are.
 

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