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My wife failed her dry suit class because at age 69 she was too tired to do the required removal of the BCD and weight belt after satisfying all the other required skills. The instructor offered to allow her to pass if she could demonstrate the skill in the pool. She decided to forego the certification card because she felt comfortable diving a dry suit and didn't care about the card. She's been diving the dry suit for two years now!
 
To independent instructors who are selective about who to take as OW students: what is/are your criteria for selecting students? I know instructors who prefer teaching AOW or freediving because those courses are kinda sorta for people who have some sort of comfort in the water.
 
I have never failed a student, but one did drop on request.
I have, however, advised a lot of students to take a different course than they first intended. A lot is done with aligned expectations.
Also, I have certified students to a lower level of certification than they enrolled for.

I feel that the core concepts in training is to teach with the end goal in mind so students won’t need to un/re-learn, develop taxonomy to the point where students are more aware than just capable of executing some skill very well (basic rote learning) but actually able to evaluate when it’s applicable (able to think), and application so students don’t end up mastering mask skills sitting in a pool - rather able to handle a mask swap hovering in open water.

There is a lot of fuss about “Mastery Level Training” going on these days, which is great for ensuring that a dog can sit or roll really, really well.
I overheard a talk at DEMA a few years ago about the merits of Scenario-Based Training.
I think a good question for the RSTC, if one is even bothered with their opinions, is how to best structure a progressive, linear, consistent training curriculum towards that arena.
 
I have never failed a student, but one did drop on request.
I have, however, advised a lot of students to take a different course than they first intended. A lot is done with aligned expectations.
Also, I have certified students to a lower level of certification than they enrolled for.

I feel that the core concepts in training is to teach with the end goal in mind so students won’t need to un/re-learn, develop taxonomy to the point where students are more aware than just capable of executing some skill very well (basic rote learning) but actually able to evaluate when it’s applicable (able to think), and application so students don’t end up mastering mask skills sitting in a pool - rather able to handle a mask swap hovering in open water.

There is a lot of fuss about “Mastery Level Training” going on these days, which is great for ensuring that a dog can sit or roll really, really well.
I overheard a talk at DEMA a few years ago about the merits of Scenario-Based Training.
I think a good question for the RSTC, if one is even bothered with their opinions, is how to best structure a progressive, linear, consistent training curriculum towards that arena.

Which agency do you work for ?
 
My son did a chem eng internship. Said it was a great company, great people, great experience, and it convinced him he did not want to be a chem engineer. Finished his chem eng degree, switched to graduate study in genetics and now runs a genetics lab.

Point is that there are different goals in taking a scuba class
-Find out whether it is something you want to do
-Get certified
-Pass the requirements
-Produce safe divers
-Lean certain skills
-Show somebody else you tried
-Spend time with your SI.

A student dropping out will be a failure in some of these ways and a success in others.

The internship of my son was a failure to produce a professional engineer. It was a success in helping produce a successful person who while not using his chem eng training in the technical sense does use a lot of the problem solving and computer skills he learned in that program as well a bit of the can do. .
 
My wife failed her dry suit class because at age 69 she was too tired to do the required removal of the BCD and weight belt after satisfying all the other required skills. The instructor offered to allow her to pass if she could demonstrate the skill in the pool. She decided to forego the certification card because she felt comfortable diving a dry suit and didn't care about the card. She's been diving the dry suit for two years now!
that's not a fail. that's an incomplete.
 
that's not a fail. that's an incomplete.
Again, semantics. Is it still incomplete if she never gets the cert.? Does whether or not she becomes an expert drysuit diver or not have a bearing?
 
Question for instructors. Which agency do you teach for and how many of your students have not been able to pass your course? Thanks so much.


tooting my horn and dont dive a rat. Got 100% on the test. Studied for five days before the test while on a tropical vacation. friends thought I was nuts. Dive master who graded it said she only saw one other person get 100 in over ten years and it was herself. Funny thing it was her boyfriend who certified me and he did not get a 100 either

tooting done, now just gotta stay alive on all my dives
 
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