Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

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I was just trying to help you by providing some actual data since you were drawing something related to the escape route.


I do not know the answer to the second question.

Thanks for sure, no offense intended.

While I'm requesting unlikely and costly changes, I'd like to see an "open only in case of emergency" door at the top of the stairs. Yes, it would essentially open to the water, but would mean you wouldn't have to traverse the cabin & galley to get out.

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The question is how you determine the cause of death for all 33 of them without a single autopsy beyond reasonable doubt. It's not gossiping.
1) please remember these were beautiful people with a passion for diving who were snatch away from their family and friends in the prime of their life by a horrible event that their loved ones haven't even begun to process. Many if them likely have friends on the board.

Hopefully, this answers your question and we can put this one to bed.

2) A "Traditional" post mortem exam tupically has very specific steps starting with a information gathering re: the circumstances of the case including who reported or found the person, was the death witnessed, was decedent under doctors care for a life threatening or chronic medical condition that might explain their death. If it is anything other than clearly natural causes, many states require an autopsy. Traditionallyt that includes an ME or Coroner collecting the remains at the scene. Police and a coroner or ME taking photographs at the scene and a during the exam. The ME carefully examines the remains for trace evidence, clipping fingernails, hair, blood Danes. Then checking inside clothing pockets meticulously, photographing and cataloging it, carefully washing the remains. Many larger jurisdictions require the primary police investigator to be present and witness the autopsy. You get the idea. There is a process, and in this case, much of this not only would not apply, it would not likely be probative. They didn't say they are not doing any post mortem exam. They just didn't go into graphic detail explaining how they arrived at that conclusion of smoke inhalation, for two reasons. They are protecting the families from here and forever reading graphic details about it in the paper, and they have to protect the integrity of the ongoing in investigation. That said, they can tell a lot about cause with what they have. Manner will be based on totality of investigations.

3) Medical examiner determines cause of death based on medical examination, and manner based on additional law enforcement investigative findings on cause and origin of fire.

5) Beyond a reasonable doubt only applies if a death is determined to be caused by criminal conduct, at which point the State of California has to prove to a jury that someone is criminally responsible for these deaths, beyond a reasonable doubt.

6) In the event of a civil suit for wrongful death, the plaintiff only needs to prove to a jury that is more likely than not that the boat owner, cell phone maker, boat manufacturer, or whomever they sue is responsible for the death if their loved one. That standard is 51%.
 
Crew said all doors and windows to galley/salon deck were closed, yet they awoke to raging inferno, ceiling tiles already burning so it's flashed over, and their ladder from wheel house/sun bridge which is outside of the galley/salon enclosed area is fully engulfed. I'm not going to comment on my the crew stairs for now.
But, fire needs oxygen to breath or it will burn itself out. Once the fire in galley/salon used up it's own oxygen supply, it likely stole all the O2 from the berthing area to keep burning and growing. Its likely they never even woke up.
 
Oh, thank God. While this is by no means anything other than a horrifying tragedy, and the victims are just as dead, I have to say that it makes me feel a hell of a lot better knowing that they didn’t burn to death. That possibility has kind of been haunting me.
Ditto
 
I have read that the crew tried to get the galley doors open but could not then went to windows and could not get them open due to the heat. My question is are there doors at the back of the galley salon area that could be closed on this boat? If so why closed on anchor? I have been personally locked into a galley salon area on a commercial fishing boat at night due to very very rough seas on a albacore fishing trip out of Moro bay. Can anyone answer my question?
 
I have read that the crew tried to get the galley doors open but could not then went to windows and could not get them open due to the heat. My question is are there doors at the back of the galley salon area that could be closed on this boat? If so why closed on anchor? I have been personally locked into a galley salon area on a commercial fishing boat at night due to very very rough seas on a albacore fishing trip out of Moro bay. Can anyone answer my question?
It's an odd design. The only entrance or exit to the salon is via the doorway on the back, which a regular diver on the boat said he had never seen closed on a trip, it's only closed at the dock when they leave the boat. You can kick out a window in front of the gallery as an emergency exit.

There is a walkway that runs along the port side of the boat from the dive deck to the bow, but no access to the salon or the upper deck from there.

The only access to the upper deck appear to be the a steep stairway that runs over the entrance to the salon.
 
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