Licensed Dive Boats

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

At the risk of derailing a thread I have to say that of all the places I look for reviews TA is the one I trust least.

But for all reviews I look at the most recent, some of the 5 stars, some of the 1 stars and most all of the ones in between. Even for the positive reviews, and maybe especially the positive, I look for any negatives. If the review is all glowing, I ignore it. If its just a gripe fest, I pretty much ignore it too.

But any with both good and bad aspects in the review I take much more seriously and then decide if the bad is something important to me. I especially appreciate reviews with concrete info not just “they were wonderful “ or “it was awful.”
 
Well, I hate to disappoint you guys, but there are still some of us left in this world who are honest and speak the truth. There are still those of us who want to save our dive sites and promote what is best about what we do, while at the same time realizing this world just ain't what it used to be.

So you can choose to either get on board and try to promote what is best about our sport, or you can be a pessimistic ******* who ruins it for everyone. Your choice...
 
I respect that you are active here Christi, and I respect the advice you give. But I have to tell you I find this comment VERY offensive. I am an avid traveler, diver and lover of writing. I believe deeply in sharing my experiences and trying to help other travelers (especially divers) iron out the details in planning their trips and prospective destinations.

I have NEVER had anything I wrote on TripAdvisor, ScubaBoard or anywhere else "bought in some way". They have all been my honest opinions and writing. Thanks for the heads up. I won't exert the effort again.

I am certain that your reviews are honest and reflect your true experiences. AS Don pointed out, I should have inserted the word "often." There are several of the "top" rated operators who obviously have many fake reviews. I know that the reviews can be bought and paid for which is what I was referring to. I don't engage in that and as noted by another poster, several of the shops who ARE deserving of top ratings are in the 20's, 30's and 40's on TA while virtually unknown's or brand new shops are int he top 10. This is also not to say that some of those in the top 10 aren't legitimate, some of them absolutely are and are deserving of top ratings. My point is that the TA ratings are very skewed regardless of the truthful honest reviewers like yourself who are out there. I occasionally ask someone to share their experience, but I feel funny about it - that is my own issue.

Please accept my apologies for not being clear in my original post on this topic.
 
I am certain that your reviews are honest and reflect your true experiences. AS Don pointed out, I should have inserted the word "often." There are several of the "top" rated operators who obviously have many fake reviews. I know that the reviews can be bought and paid for which is what I was referring to. I don't engage in that and as noted by another poster, several of the shops who ARE deserving of top ratings are in the 20's, 30's and 40's on TA while virtually unknown's or brand new shops are int he top 10. This is also not to say that some of those in the top 10 aren't legitimate, some of them absolutely are and are deserving of top ratings. My point is that the TA ratings are very skewed regardless of the truthful honest reviewers like yourself who are out there. I occasionally ask someone to share their experience, but I feel funny about it - that is my own issue.

Please accept my apologies for not being clear in my original post on this topic.

No apology necessary. We all need to understand who we are. I am an idealist...not an idiot. I completely understand there are false reviews out there. But FOR THAT REASON, I think it's important that there are also very partial and honest reviews. Yes, each person has to read and determine what works for them. But beyond the "reviews", they need to contact their prospective dive operation individually BEFORE they book a trip to make sure all of the important things about their trip will be addressed. For example, there's no way you walk up to the boat and "find out" it's not a licensed boat to do business in the marine park. You have already checked all of that out in advance and you've formed a relationship with the dive operation and you know who you're dealing with. No surprises. Then when you go and have a great vacation and enjoy your dive experiences, you come back and post that everything was as it was promised to be. Why is that so hard? It's really simple...be honest!
 
Calm down, dude. No one is saying that you are doing anything inaccurate or bogus. But Trip Advisor is a crock of crap.

OK "Dude". I'm calm.

I have utilized TripAdvisor for at least 8 years, and it has been an invaluable tool in assisting in the planning of numerous fabulous group trips I have undertaken all over the world with numerous people. Admittedly, I have the sense (and dare I say...experience) to know which reviews to believe and even the ability to evaluate the things that are said about each location.

I don't rely on TripAdvisor to make my decisions, but I do enjoy forming an opinion based on what fellow divers say. I will acknowledge that most of my information comes from those I trust on ScubaBoard, but I do enjoy reading TripAdvisor, primarily because it's so readily available and I obtain information that is not just involved with scuba diving.

If you think it's a crock of crap...so be it. For you. Whatever...
 
TripAdvisor is just another Russian style troll farm/whore house, too contaminated to sift the legit from the bogus. I give far more credence to fellow Scubaboarders or Undercurrent.org.

And so you are calling me a whore on a public forum? Not smart, my friend. And certainly not appreciated. If you are unable to sift the legit from the bogus, that's your bad. No need to call the honest people on TripAdvisor who are there to help divers decipher the details bad names. Poor taste indeed.
 
And so you are calling me a whore on a public forum? Not smart, my friend. And certainly not appreciated. If you are unable to sift the legit from the bogus, that's your bad. No need to call the honest people on TripAdvisor who are there to help divers decipher the details bad names. Poor taste indeed.
Dude, you're doing it again.
 
No apology necessary. We all need to understand who we are. I am an idealist...not an idiot. I completely understand there are false reviews out there. But FOR THAT REASON, I think it's important that there are also very partial and honest reviews. Yes, each person has to read and determine what works for them. But beyond the "reviews", they need to contact their prospective dive operation individually BEFORE they book a trip to make sure all of the important things about their trip will be addressed. For example, there's no way you walk up to the boat and "find out" it's not a licensed boat to do business in the marine park. You have already checked all of that out in advance and you've formed a relationship with the dive operation and you know who you're dealing with. No surprises. Then when you go and have a great vacation and enjoy your dive experiences, you come back and post that everything was as it was promised to be. Why is that so hard? It's really simple...be honest!

You're missing the point about the reviews. If some of them are phony, and you can't tell the real ones from the phony ones, you can't trust any of them. If you knew a person to often tell you lies, would you trust anything that person told you?

There absolutely is a way you can find out at the dock, and I detailed exactly how, but you're too caught up in your idealism to deal with reality.
 
TripAdvisor is just another Russian style troll farm/whore house, too contaminated to sift the legit from the bogus. I give far more credence to fellow Scubaboarders or Undercurrent.org.


Uh.... Undercurrent? Yea you might want to rethink them. They recently posted and emailed their 'expertise' on the subject:

"Cozumel Closes Down Part of its Marine Park:
How it May Affect You
The southern part of Cozumel Marine Park will be closed beginning October 7 until at least January, seriously limiting where dive boats can go. If you’re thinking about a trip to Cozumel, you may wish to reconsider. If you already have plans, you may wish to contact your dive operator to see how the closures will affect your diving.

The Marine Park includes the southwest quadrant of the island’s coast. The harder-to-reach northern and eastern sites will still be open, but, because of strong currents, only experienced divers prepared to make what can be lengthy and arduous boat journeys in rough water should consider diving these sites. These include the sites from El Mirador on the more exposed east coast, to Baja de Molas at the most northerly point.

The areas where most diving in Cozumel occurs -- from Palancar Gardens (on Cozumel’s southwest quadrant) to Maracaibo, and Playa Bosh in the extreme south (including dive sites Columbia, Punta Sur, and El Cielo) will be closed so government scientists may investigate the causes of ‘white syndrome’ affecting hard corals there and gauge the amounts and effects of pollution discharged by the large hotels that border the marine park.

Local dive operators say popular sites that can still be accessed by dive boats include Barracuda Reef on the extreme northwest coast, the wreck of the C-52, Tormentos Reef, San Francisco Reef, Santa Rosa, El Cedral, and Punta Delila on the west coast.

White syndrome starts with the coral showing well-defined areas of whitening, which then expand and, apparently spread to all other coral colonies by contact, mainly through divers touching infected coral during dives. Otherwise known as stony coral tissue loss disease, it’s affecting reefs in Florida too (Undercurrent April 2019).

If you have plans to go to Cozumel, contact your travel agent or dive operator on Cozumel."


So I, I think, politely mentioned some mistakes:

I am a frequent Coz diver. In fact I have close to 500 dives and all but 4 check out dives have been in Cozumel. I had to question a few things in your recent email. I don't know that it is fair to say 'most diving' occurs in the closed area. Yea Columbia and Palancar get a lot of first dives in a 2 tank trips, but there on lots of people diving the other sites. I think the more southern sites are not as heavily hit. Punta sur, the Maricabos and such are deeper, so new or occasional diver are going there as much. Even Maricabo shallows, isn't. You mention El Cielo. That isnt a dive site. Its a shelf of white sand with starfish where party boats go and people stand in the water with chips and guac. Now the northern sites outside the part get a lot less action as the are kind of advanced, at least the common ones. Aldora has staked out some less advanced sites, but they do require more care as they are more remote. Loose a motor down south and you drift to down to town. Lose one up north you drift to Cuba. However, my opinion is the sites in the park that are still open are terrific. I love Paso del Cedral and wall. Flying along the pass is a really fun dive where you cover a lot of ground and see a lot of stuff. And the rest have a lot to recommend them. So much so that I don't see a lot of the north sites or east side getting a lot more activity. Its a lot more work to get to them.

Now on your remarks on SCTLD, I have not read anything that says it is mostly spread by divers. Is there research to back that up? What I read it they don't know but suspect runoff and pollution and temperature might make coral more susceptible to it. I haven't heard of anyone else closing reefs to protect coral. Heck, I think the Marine Park kind of admits they don't know that this does any good, but they want to try 'something' and see. I feel it is kind of a PR campaign and the plan is very likely gonna change. There is apparently an issue that Coz collect a ton of marine park user fees that go to Mexico City to support all the National Parks, but Coz doesn't get back nearly what they send it. Its Mexico and these things happen. Especially with an article like yours, the diver dollars might start weight on the hotels and restaurants and if they get upset, the powers that be likely will bow to pressure.

I am all for saving and helping the reefs, but I don't know there is an answer. FL hasn't found one, have they? Anyway, I will still be diving Coz repeatedly. In fact we go home a week ago and we just decided to pop back this Wednesday to grab some dives in the closure area before it closed. And I will be back in December and happily dive whatever is open. I am amazed and delighted by everything I see in every site. I can't compare it outside Cozumel as I have no experience, but I also haven't felt the need either! Oh and is the C-53. The wreck dive on the Felipe Xicotencatl. I thought that dive was getting a little bored with it after 2 dives over 10 years. I took my niece back this summer as she wanted to see it. However, in a swim through it I found a school of glassy sweepers hanging out. I could have watched them all day. Anyway, I thought I would share a reg Coz divers perspective on things on what might have been a little unfair to Coz diving. "
 
To which Undercurrent responded with full snarky on:


"Thanks for your information, which we have noted.
We believe our source in Cozumel is unimpeachable and the information given to us corresponds with that we received from other dive centers in Cozumel.
Please re-read our original email."

Ok, please re-read our original email, Mr. Snarky. So I did and since we are not being quite so polite apparently, I gave them a dose of some fact....:

"Since you asked, reread it. And since you seem to be very direct, I will be too:

"The areas where most diving in Cozumel occurs -- from Palancar Gardens (on Cozumel’s southwest quadrant) to Maracaibo, and Playa Bosh in the extreme south (including dive sites Columbia, Punta Sur, and El Cielo)"

A lot of first dives to hit some of these. And then they go to the other sites in the park for a second dive. Feel free to consult this official map of the closure. And as I said, when you list El Cielo as a dive site, you look like you have no idea what you are talking about. It’s a shallow sandy area with no coral whatsoever. It has grown into a party boat thing creating concerns. And it engendered the whole look don’t touch campaign on the island when people got upset about the starfish getting lifted out of the water. Starfish being big thing there.

upload_2019-9-30_9-14-9.png


As for sites that remain open, you listed 6. “Local dive operators say popular sites that can still be accessed by dive boats include Barracuda Reef on the extreme northwest coast, the wreck of the C-52, Tormentos Reef, San Francisco Reef, Santa Rosa, El Cedral, and Punta Delila on the west coast.”

Perhaps you should consult this map with 15 sites, 13 that are heavily used in the park and 2 in the north outside the park that see less traffic. I mean good gracious, you do even list Paradiso (Paradise), a VERY popular shallow reef with light current right at the entrance to the marina. I do love that reef night and day. And it is heavily used. This map of course, does not list the C-53 (not 52 as you wrote.) Its right there near the Chankanaab reef. see here: C53 Wreck of the Felipe Xicotencatl in Cozumel - Scuba Club Cozumel

upload_2019-9-30_9-14-24.png


Now on the science, you said “be closed so government scientists may investigate the causes of ‘white syndrome’ affecting hard corals there and gauge the amounts and effects of pollution discharged by the large hotels that border the marine park.”

I’ll give you that there is a lot of discussion on water quality and its possible contribution, but the Parque Marine did not come out and point at the hotels. Perhaps what you missed was that primarily the currents run from south to north and there is not a single hotel in the closure. There is nothing from Playa Palancar south until to hit the State Park Punta Sur. So if anything is being dumped, it would be north of the closure and carried north from there.

And the other science bit you pushed out was “White syndrome starts with the coral showing well-defined areas of whitening, which then expand and, apparently spread to all other coral colonies by contact, mainly through divers touching infected coral during dives.” I would love to see where you came up with that gem. Maybe read a little science on the subject. https://www.nature.com/articles/srep00804?WT.ec_id=SREP-704-20121203#introduction

So I respectfully submit either you did shoddy work collecting information from your sources or your sources are quite as intelligent on the subject as you think. If you need some more local dive operators, let me know. I know a bunch. In fact, a dear friend of mine just took over running one of the largest, oldest dive shops on the island. She has been diving there forever….

I just was trying to be nice in sharing your mistakes. Its no skin off my teeth that people are ridiculing your statements, including local experts."
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/teric/

Back
Top Bottom