Primary or alternate donate poll

[Diving Dubai]

Just to be clear, you were using a DPV when the DPV would hit something before you saw what it hit?

Was this in wide open water?

Yes. The ocean around pinnacles and reefs

Often you drop in and you might have good vis for the first 6m then it turns to pea soup with a think plankton layer . where you can barely see outline for the fins in front of you, their can light is a faint glimmer because its defused

You're descending around a pinnacle and if you're unlucky battling current. You hope that you break through into clearer water, which often happens around the 35m depth., but I've got to 45 and given up before

Sometimes with the tide change the upper 6m loses vis too, so all the way up inc stops and deco you're in very poor vis. You deal with it, and learn to have a 6th sense. Losing scooter buddies is not uncommon but that's why we're all completely redundant.

Similarly the vis can be good but you get caught in down currents, not rare here, but again you learn a 6th sense when something doesn't "feel right" and either avoid or prepare, and be rigged appropriately in the first place (air bail out, over size cylinders for large contingency, and some 50% for deco.

I really don't understand why you guys are making such a big thing about situational awareness - its not a hard skill to have

 

[EFX]

if (Diving_Dubai == make_sense) {
...exceptions_not_the_norm;
...take_seriously;
...discuss;
}
else {
...exceptions_are_the_norm;
...is_trolling;
...ignore;
}

 

[BenjaminF]

@EFX , in this case he is making a lot of sense.

 

[txaggie08]

@EFX , in this case he is making a lot of sense.

Yeah, his scuba esp makes perfect sense.

 

[happy-diver]

Smart divers when given all the information available and also educated to make decisions
may decide to venture forth to where you decided you can not, because you are incapable!

 

[KenGordon]

Have you ever been in sub 3ft visibility? Try again bub, you cant dodge people you cant see coming.

Woo that's some arrogance dude. If you headed butter an urchin in clear water, shame on you. If a diver swims over the top of you in 3-5ft vis and kicks a mask or a reg out of your mouth as they side swipe you, that's on them.

Fins need to be closer than 3ft to knock out a regulator. In low vis moving too fast is a mistake, so really you should see the fins before they are a problem.

Also, where the vis is particularly poor the more ‘uncontrolled’ divers tend to go somewhere else.

I have been punched in the face by a student underwater, allegedly accidentally, I didn’t loose either mask or regulator but I did have to clear my mask.

 

[Centrals]

I was trained to donate the alternative in the beginning 20+ yrs ago. Tec dive came few yrs later and eventually replaced my jacket bc with BP/W.
If I am using my own equipment then the primary is the one. However, if I am using rental equipment then the alternative is the answer.

I really do not see the point of this poll so did not vote.

 

[BlueTrin]

Fins need to be closer than 3ft to knock out a regulator. In low vis moving too fast is a mistake, so really you should see the fins before they are a problem.

Also, where the vis is particularly poor the more ‘uncontrolled’ divers tend to go somewhere else.

I have been punched in the face by a student underwater, allegedly accidentally, I didn’t loose either mask or regulator but I did have to clear my mask.

When I had a reg kicked out of my mouth, I was with a buddy I wasn’t familiar with and he circled around me because he couldn’t control his distance to me.

During the dive he went from facing me to trying to swim away from me and kicked me when he was trying to swim away from me.

Should I have turned away from him as soon as he started circling around ?

 

[Diving Dubai]

Should I have turned away from him as soon as he started circling around ?

No. It can be as simple as a positioning kick or an inhale or exhale for avoidance, perhaps a slight movement of your head, or simply raising you hand or arm. You don't need to push them away with any force just offer enough gentle resistance to prevent contact with your face, and for them to know they've contacted something/ someone.

But also, you as a diver need to be aware of your positioning to others and adjust accordingly - underwater things move slowly so there is plenty of time as long as you're aware of your surroundings.

Eventually, like driving a car where you have no conscious decision between your eyes and your hand and foot movements on the controls reacting to different circumstances.

Thus with experience and practice in diving, your breathing, position, trim, kicks and buoyancy should be automated and the adaptation to changes of circumstances should be without conscious effort.

When I'm teaching, if I were to be kicked etc by a student, (unless its a deliberate act on their part) I'm to blame not them. Their bandwidth is generally full just concentrating on diving, where as its up to me to look after them and myself which maintaining the correct position and distance to allow for immediate intervention if required.

 

[BlueTrin]

No. It can be as simple as a positioning kick or an inhale or exhale for avoidance, perhaps a slight movement of your head, or simply raising you hand or arm. You don't need to push them away with any force just offer enough gentle resistance to prevent contact with your face, and for them to know they've contacted something/ someone.

But also, you as a diver need to be aware of your positioning to others and adjust accordingly - underwater things move slowly so there is plenty of time as long as you're aware of your surroundings.

Eventually, like driving a car where you have no conscious decision between your eyes and your hand and foot movements on the controls reacting to different circumstances.

Thus with experience and practice in diving, your breathing, position, trim, kicks and buoyancy should be automated and the adaptation to changes of circumstances should be without conscious effort.

When I'm teaching, if I were to be kicked etc by a student, (unless its a deliberate act on their part) I'm to blame not them. Their bandwidth is generally full just concentrating on diving, where as its up to me to look after them and myself which maintaining the correct position and distance to allow for immediate intervention if required.

Thanks, just to be clear: I don’t blame this person for kicking my reg, it was a genuine question.

From my recollection, I really thought I was not in the direction of his kick and I remember really being surprised when it happened. I remember that for some reason I was not able to recover my primary reg and switched to my secondary: I thought about this one after the dive and I cannot explain why I wasn’t able to recover my primary. I guess that’s another learning experience for me.

I only mentioned it to him afterwards casually so he would be more careful for other people in the future.