VIP Inspectors: Identifiable vs Identified

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We know the procedure, we all must test to the currently published standards of our certifying agency. That is found online.

Ask him when was the last time he checked...
 
I am extremely anal about the inspection and know damn good and well that each tank has passed before I will place a sticker on it and I am just as anal about keeping the records.



You seem anal....
 
If I ever make a mistake and somebody gets hurt or worse because I passed a cylinder I shouldn't have, it isn't going to make any difference what stickers I used, what certifications I may or may not have had, or what forms were filled out by me or anyone else. This is the grand fallacy behind the PSI-PCI inspection and inspector certification and recertification process.
I see it a bit differently.

Somebody is pulled out of the water with your name and phone number on their tank(s). Guess who gets the first call.

An investigation should go through an orderly procedure. Yes, you passed the tank(s). When your time comes, the investigators will find you and ask for your paperwork.
 
If you want to perform cylinder inspections, but don't want anyone to find out who did the inspections, then you're in the wrong business. If this is what you're worried about, then hang up your shingle now.

Personal accountability is the whole reason one gets trained and certified.
 
IF you are properly trained there is no problem , if you cut corners then you get what you get , that being said I cant remember a vip tech ever being sued or involved with a scuba tank failing catastrophicly can you guys ?
 
If you want to perform cylinder inspections, but don't want anyone to find out who did the inspections, then you're in the wrong business. If this is what you're worried about, then hang up your shingle now. ...//...
That is a textbook strawman argument. No, that is not my worry so don't use that contrivance to discredit my question.

...//... Personal accountability is the whole reason one gets trained and certified.
Huh? I did it mostly for both the clear financial benefit and knowing exactly what the insides of all my cylinders look like. Please re-read my OP.

And I will admit that it is rather satisfying to see my own sticker on my tank...
 
I see it a bit differently.

Somebody is pulled out of the water with your name and phone number on their tank(s). Guess who gets the first call.

An investigation should go through an orderly procedure. Yes, you passed the tank(s). When your time comes, the investigators will find you and ask for your paperwork.
Huh?
Has anyone ever been contacted by law enforcement, coroner etc about a diving death via their inspection sticker on the tank?
Has DOJ ever prosecuted anyone over a non-DOT required visual by someone other than an official DOT requalifier anyway?

99.9% or more your VIP, inadequacy or lackthereof is going to be associated with filling. Either the cylinder ruptures or the tank/valve catches fire. They will find the bits and pieces of the cylinder and your sticker in the wreckage. No matter how poor your VIP or cleaning might have been there is no possible crime here other than maybe at its most extreme fraud - claiming you inspected to CGA standards or cleaned it when you didn't. Even if you keep no records, that is not a crime either.

The only people coming after you are the families of the deceased or injured - and/or their insurance companies. You are better off having the largest blanket liability cover available because you will spend almost that much of your own money to hold up your PSI forms and CGA standards book in court to try and defend yourself from the deceased family's lawyer. Let your insurance settle or fight if they choose. Otherwise your defense is all on you and it wont be cheap.
 
...//... The only people coming after you are the families of the deceased or injured - and/or their insurance companies. You are better off having the largest blanket liability cover available because you will spend almost that much of your own money to hold up your PSI forms and CGA standards book in court to try and defend yourself from the deceased family's lawyer. Let your insurance settle or fight if they choose. Otherwise your defense is all on you and it wont be cheap.
Thank you for your highly reasoned response.

That is what I was looking for. Pros and Cons. I have decided how I want to mark my own tanks, I'll leave it to others to continue this discussion for their own motives.
 
One thing to note as far as information on the cylinder goes, I know of one place for sure that will not fill cylinders unless the VIP has a shop name and address on it. Joe Blow with his SDI or PSI number? Nope, not good enough as far as I know the last I spoke with him due people being able to have their own printed up. Supposedly because an individual doesn't carry liability insurance in case the cylinder fails when they are filling it.
So, my question was, what if they have a fictitious name of a shop put on? Most shops are fictitious names anyway. At least I haven't seen a birth certificate with Joe's Diving City or some such on it.
 
@Jim Lapenta,

My position is that I walked the walk, and can now both buy and put an SDI sticker onto my tank. I can punch O2 cleaned too. Nothing on that sticker that identifies me directly, thus my initial concern. There are endless ways to screw with the inspection process, pointless to drag all that out.

So if I brought my tanks to your shop (that you mention) they will deny me?
 
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