Rolex Submariner

[Tchau]

What is your question?

 

[Divectionist]

What is your question?

I am wondering what makes you say the Pelagos is the only tool watch among luxury brands. Because it is brushed and legible, at a lower price tag than others?

I like the Pelagos, although it is too chunky for my personal taste, but I don't see how it turns other watches into dress watches. Assuming you know what actual dress watches look like, you must be of the opinion that they are either in some way too glitzy these days, or too fragile.

But look at the Sub or SD, the case material, bezel material, movement, bracelet, clasp, and last but not least design, are all still classic tool watch. Look at the Ploprof, the tooliest of them all - and a rare example with a properly highlighted minute hand, which is exactly what you need for diving. The Ploprof is my tool benchmark.

In the same way, I see my Explorer as an everyday tool watch. Sure you can dress it up or down, but there is nothing on the case that can catch or break, the movement is well protected, anti-magnetic, anti-shock, so you can bang and scratch the thing up for a couple of lifetimes and it does not care. It's executed as well as anyone can case up a simple 3 hander dial without adding anything that is not necessary, which is why I sold everything else.

 

[vjb.knife]

I have owned many Rolex watches and worn them everywhere and dove them all over the world. I have not worried much about getting them scratched. And I have never sold one of them for less than I paid and in a couple of cases have made a significant amount of profit. I was able to buy the latest model of the GMT and could pretty easily sell it for a 40% - 50% profit because it is very hard to get and there is a very high demand. The other thing about them is that when you send them back to Rolex for an overhaul they come back to you looking like new. It is around $800 for the overhaul but it is like a new watch and has a 2 year warranty, and my insurance policy sometimes covers it.

 

[Tchau]

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I am wondering what makes you say the Pelagos is the only tool watch among luxury brands. Because it is brushed and legible, at a lower price tag than others?

I like the Pelagos, although it is too chunky for my personal taste, but I don't see how it turns other watches into dress watches. Assuming you know what actual dress watches look like, you must be of the opinion that they are either in some way too glitzy these days, or too fragile.

But look at the Sub or SD, the case material, bezel material, movement, bracelet, clasp, and last but not least design, are all still classic tool watch. Look at the Ploprof, the tooliest of them all - and a rare example with a properly highlighted minute hand, which is exactly what you need for diving. The Ploprof is my tool benchmark.

In the same way, I see my Explorer as an everyday tool watch. Sure you can dress it up or down, but there is nothing on the case that can catch or break, the movement is well protected, anti-magnetic, anti-shock, so you can bang and scratch the thing up for a couple of lifetimes and it does not care. It's executed as well as anyone can case up a simple 3 hander dial without adding anything that is not necessary, which is why I sold everything else.

Subs are not classic dress watches per se but they are considered dress watches when you compare them to other tool watches. This is how watch specialists and pretty much the whole world describe them.
Most Sub owners are not divers and Rolex knows that.
I owned a Sea Dweller like 15 years ago. Hated it.
Personally, I would never wear a Rolex again.
There are too many fakes out there.

Plus Subs are associated with frivolous and snobby people, fake people, douchebags... lol.
A lot people do not own a Rolex because they do not want to be associated with “this crowd”. Maybe I am one of them.

Pelagos on other hand is not well known by most people so there isn’t really any reputation, good or bad.
But the main reason I would get a Pelagos over a Sub is because Pelagos is constructed with a better material (titanium), better bracelet and better movement than Subs.

Seikos are great too.

 

[Divectionist]

Subs are not classic dress watches per se but they are considered dress watches when you compare them to other tool watches. This is how watch specialists and pretty much the whole world describe them.

No, sorry. No watch specialist would consider a Sub a dress watch. A Rolex Cellini is a dress watch. One could argue that a Sub is a 'dressier' sports watch than a Pelagos, given that it has polished surfaces and is not quite such a hunk, but that does not classify it as a dress watch in any of the many universes.

As for the rest, you obviously care a lot about what other people think or perceive, and let this guide your decisions. I do not operate that way, as far as my choice of timekeeper is concerned, hence why we differ on these matters.

Let's not forget that you are buying a Rolex product even when buying a Tudor. And the Pelagos undoubtedly has a good movement for the type of watch it is, and it is through its lower retail price a better value watch if you keep it for life. It is worse value if you ever decide to sell. So if money or value matter beyond irrational preference or taste in this instance, this is a factor to consider.

 

[Tchau]

One could argue that a Sub is a 'dressier' sports watch than a Pelagos, given that it has polished surfaces and is not quite such a hunk, but that does not classify it as a dress watch in any of the many universes.

That's what I was trying to say all this time. Thanks.

 

[vjb.knife]

"But the main reason I would get a Pelagos over a Sub is because Pelagos is constructed with a better material (titanium), better bracelet and better movement than Subs."

I like Titanium watches and own several; whether it is better than the 904L stainless steel that Rolex uses is just a matter of what properties of each of the materials you deem more important. The bracelet of the Tudor Pelagos is different and to me only has one significant difference and that is the spring loaded clasp which I do not like as I don't wear a watch on the outside of a wetsuit but under the cuff. I also don't wear a wetsuit thicker than 3mm and most of the time only a 0.5mm suit, so the spring loading of the clasp does not do anything for me. Finally the MT5621 movement of the Pelagos, although a nice movement, is absolutely not better that the current movement model 3235 that is in the latest Subs and Seadwellers. If someone told you that it was they are very misinformed.

 

[axluba]

True tool watch? I like the Marathon TSAR and GSAR (1st is quartz, 2nd is the automatic), Sinn also makes some incredible 'tool' watches. Each to their own though!

that's a fine list you have here! seriously considering the Sinn T2 (a true tool watch too!) for my 30th birthday!

nothing against the pelagos but it's too big for me!

 

[tridacna]

I had an Omega Seamaster and decided to take it for a quick dive at Dutch Springs. Somehow I forgot to screw down the crown and it flooded. I could have bought a new Perdix for the service fee I had to pay to restore it.

 

[Divectionist]

I had an Omega Seamaster and decided to take it for a quick dive at Dutch Springs. Somehow I forgot to screw down the crown and it flooded. I could have bought a new Perdix for the service fee I had to pay to restore it.

Ouch!