Resort's " New Normal " Rule - No AIR 2 or diving your long hose

[Gareth J]

So BSAC divers are the best divers in the world and are infallible? Clearly, they have in house BSAC training (no quality control) and are perfectly safe robots who feel no stress in an emergency especially with their superior training.

I don't think BSAC divers are any better or any worse than any other divers, ,why would you believe differently?

From granted, my limited experience, there seems to be little difference in quality control across diver training, with anecdotally, the exception of GUE.
I've done course with quite a few agencies, PADI, BSAC, IANTD, TDI to name a few. Never with GUE, but then, they aren't that keen on CCR, and I have little interest in Cave diving.

In my limited experience, the quality of training is more down to the instructor, than the agency.

 

[Joneill]

Interesting choice. That's the one line that states "when and if appropriate". The whole regulation is operator centric.

I realize that - you asked what on the list I considered optional so I picked all of the items that I consider optional. BTW - who determines "when and if appropriate"? The dive Op? They can force me to wear a wetsuit or a drysuit? Typical regulations - not very clear!

I agree that the regulation is operator- centric - so, as a diver, where does it state that I have to wear a snorkel when diving? That's all that I was pointing out!

 

[EireDiver606]

I don't think BSAC divers are any better or any worse than any other divers, ,why would you believe differently?

From granted, my limited experience, there seems to be little difference in quality control across diver training, with anecdotally, the exception of GUE.
I've done course with quite a few agencies, PADI, BSAC, IANTD, TDI to name a few. Never with GUE, but then, they aren't that keen on CCR, and I have little interest in Cave diving.

In my limited experience, the quality of training is more down to the instructor, than the agency.

The reply was towards what I quoted that you didn't quote. It only makes sense once you quote what he said.

I never said I believed differently. If you read the comment, its a question brought about from what he said only, not what I believe. Clearly.

 

[Edward3c]

So BSAC divers are the best divers in the world and are infallible? Clearly, they have in house BSAC training (no quality control) and are perfectly safe robots who feel no stress in an emergency especially with their superior training.

No, BSAC divers are no better or worse than any other agency diver.

 

[oncor23]

It doesn't take much effort to make some very conservative approximations based on death rates of covid (even assuming higher numbers) and reduce for people that are asymptomatic, low risk factor (most people that over in nursing homes aren't active divers), etc. Even if we ignore any cleaning action going on by passing the reg.


Of course, these are just estimates, and only as good as the approximations.

If you'd prefer, we could compare the number of recorded deaths of covid transmitted due to air sharing in an emergency with the number of deaths due to people being unfamiliar with their gear. Something tells me that would tell the exact same story though.

It doesn't take much effort because the basis for your statistics is your opinion. And why limit ourselves to just death rates? And what about spreading the disease to other people outside of your dive partners.

And then the argument for a lack of covid transmissions due to air sharing. How long has covid-19 been out compared to how long people have been scuba diving? And what are the chances that anyone infected won't pass covid on to others? Let's see...if you can isolate all sources of covid transmissions, you get New Zealand's death total. In case you hadn't noticed, with the more lackadaisical reaction here in the USA, the death rate is a bit higher.

 

[The Chairman]

It's my opinion that we, as divers, are going to have to be very flexible in all we do. Truth, mixed with fear will have a huge effect on how we dive from here on out. So be it. Some rules will be wise. Some of them will be less so. I saw the writing on the wall in regards to primary donate at the very beginning. I've had to donate air only a few times and never in a cave, so this won't affect me much, if at all. I'll happily comply with any requests they make whether I agree with them or not. Once in the water, I'll do what I think is appropriate. Maybe it's time to carry a pony on every OW dive?

 

[saxman242]

Some rules will be wise. Some of them will be less so.

The problem is that there are some rules that introduce a higher risk to try to prevent a lower risk. That is a poor risk reduction strategy and leads one to question what other poor risk reduction strategies are being implemented.

It'd be one thing if we were talking about an inconvenience with no added risk being put in as a mitigation strategy, but that doesn't appear to be what is happening here.

 

[saxman242]

It doesn't take much effort because the basis for your statistics is your opinion.

I'm totally open to a discussion on the actual risk presented by air sharing, in an actual emergency situation, from an asymptomatic diver to a low risk factor diver. If you think my assumptions are incorrect, let's talk about it.

 

[The Chairman]

The problem is

Fear. Nothing but fear.

Fear is unreasoning.

You're not going to reason with an unreasonable person or rule. That's the nature of it. Agree. Happily agree. Do what you need to do when you're in the water. What happens on the dive stays on the dive.

 

[Gareth J]

Fear. Nothing but fear.

Fear is unreasoning.

You're not going to reason with an unreasonable person or rule. That's the nature of it. Agree. Happily agree. Do what you need to do when you're in the water. What happens on the dive stays on the dive.

That is it in a nutshell

Governments are fearful
Governing bodies are fearful
Diving Business are fearful
Insurers are fearful
The Public are fearful

And lawyers are sharpening pencils!

We adapt. With time the fear will diminish. That will be a mix of time, knowledge, and understanding, hopefully immunisation, or at a minimum, a way of treating COVID-19.