Herd Immunity in Indonesia

[DownUnderwater Dan]

What would be the magic numbet, in your mind, that would be acceptable?

What you're replying to was a question I was asking, so I don't understand why you're answering a question with a question

 

[chillyinCanada]

We know that 80% of covid-19 infected don't get sick in some countries

No we don't. We may know that a goodly percentage appear to be asymptomatic.

We do not know what may happen to them later.

 

[Indah]

Yes, it's been posted already. The BMJ (British Medical Journal) is one of the world's top medical journals with a rigorous & transparent peer review process

But your question?


Yes, there has been, and in the last few days the BMJ released a report.

Emerging Data Support Lasting COVID-19 Immunity Via T Cells

There's numerous studies from the Netherlands, Singapore, USA etc. And from the top immunologists of the world

Thanks, great article. Their conclusion? Maybe, we need a proper study. A new study led by scientists at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology (LJI) shows that memory helper T cells that recognize common cold coronaviruses also recognize matching sites on SARS-CoV-2.

The research, published in Science, may explain why some people have milder COVID-19 cases than others—though the researchers emphasized that this is speculation and much more data is needed.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

No we don't. We may know that a goodly percentage appear to be asymptomatic.

We do not know what may happen to them later.

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

Chilly, in keeping on the subject of scuba, I personally would dread getting an illness that would affect my ability to dive, especially a long lasting respiratory illness. But this is a very small minority, and like other illnesses we can't stop them all

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Thanks, great article. Their conclusion? Maybe, we need a proper study. A new study led by scientists at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology (LJI) shows that memory helper T cells that recognize common cold coronaviruses also recognize matching sites on SARS-CoV-2.

The research, published in Science, may explain why some people have milder COVID-19 cases than others—though the researchers emphasized that this is speculation and much more data is needed.

Thanks, great article. Their conclusion? Maybe, we need a proper study.

Another member posted the link earlier of the peer reviewed British Medical Journal report released on the 17th September 2020

Covid-19: Do many people have pre-existing immunity?

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

much more data is needed

There is numerous data on this matter from studies that have been cited & peer reviewed & released in the past 2 months

You can't ignore the science and emerging consensus of top immunologists & virologists in regards to T-cell immunity

For an effective COVID vaccine, look beyond antibodies to T-cells

I want to keep this subject matter related to the idea of "herd immunity" in Indonesia. So I suggest searching the internet for numerous scientific peer reviewed reports on T-cell immunity & how it's even viewed as possibly more important than antibody immunity

 

[chillyinCanada]

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

Chilly, in keeping on the subject of scuba, I personally would dread getting an illness that would affect my ability to dive, especially a long lasting respiratory illness. But this is a very small minority, and like other illnesses we can't stop them all

Unfortunately one of the very minority is a friend of mine. 6 months later, she continues to suffer all manner of symptoms and has just recovered sort of from her second related pneumonia. It seems quite possible that she'll never dive again.

So, you may not fear for yourself but you may infect others unknowingly.

 

[SeaWarden]

We know that 80% of covid-19 infected don't get sick in some countries

There are several strains of the virus. The one in Singapore is the mildest.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

There are several strains of the virus. The one in Singapore is the mildest.

In your opinion, is Singapore close to having some sort of "herd immunity"? There have been some studies over there in relation to T-cell immunity that have been given worldwide attention. People may still get infected but their pre-existing T-cell exposure to other coronaviruses stops the severity of covid-19 often producing no symptoms

 

[Indah]

There is numerous data on this matter from studies that have been cited & peer reviewed & released in the past 2 months

You can't ignore the science and emerging consensus of top immunologists & virologists in regards to T-cell immunity

For an effective COVID vaccine, look beyond antibodies to T-cells

I want to keep this subject matter related to the idea of "herd immunity" in Indonesia. So I suggest searching the internet for numerous scientific peer reviewed reports on T-cell immunity & how it's even viewed as possibly more important than antibody immunity

Indeed. The magic is in the word POSSIBLY. But I agree that it is very interesting.