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[Biotech Diver]

I think this could be the root of your problem. You’re trying to analyse everything, when you should be out diving to build the experience. Currents on the surface have no barring on the currents you may encounter underwater. I’ve done dives where at 30m we drifted N, at 15m we drifted S, there was no surface current.

Here in Florida on the Atlantic side it’s very common for the current on the surface to be significantly different than the current on the reef or the wreck.

 

[Dody]

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Those quads . I am also a drone pilot so I was confused.

Although I understand that you are feeling attacked, insulting others is not he best approach Dody Unfortunately public forum can do that... it's better to block someone than to answer with an insult that can turn into a ban

And, by the way, even those who are more aggressive, they are doing it because they believe it is the right thing to do - they are not interested in offending you.



True, but when we sugested you 1:1 it was not for discussing - it was for training, possibly with a new instructor. Maybe I was not clear, so I say it more explicitly: it has nothing to do with speaking with others, nor with learning new things. It has to do with practicing and consolidating skills that you (should) already have.



I was an ambulance rescuer, and I have seen people dying for the most unrealistic reasons, even young people. I am aware I can die, and I know there is a probability that I will have an (some) incident(s) underwater. These things are outside my control. What I can do is to mitigate these risks, which is what I do.



I can see your hyperbole, and I agree, at least up to a point. And no, I wouldn't consciously chose to die for a random diver.

So let me rephrase it: if you are a DM, divers rely on you for any problems that might arise. Because of that, with the exception of extremely unlikely scenarios, you MUST be ready to deal with the unexpected. Strong currents and low visibility are perfect examples of unexpected things that are likely to happen - that is, you MUST be ready to deal with them. Others things you MUST be able to manage are: out of gas scenarios, extremely tired people, bad etiquette divers, etc. Things that you are not expected to manage perfectly, but you are expeted to react properly, include: panicked divers, serious injury, unconscious divers, etc.

If, in a specific dive, you believe some inconvenients can realistically happen that you are not able to manage, and that you are not able to properly react to very unlikely (and difficult to manage) scenarios - as a DM, you should skip that dive.

I will address your post in several parts.
1st, I really appreciate your contributions and learnt a lot from it.
2) I don’t feel that I am insulting those bullies. If those ass*** feel offended, they can sue me.
3) In fact, the real question is : when are you ready? The other question is: when are you sure that you will never make a mistake or that you are 100% in control? Assuming is acceptable. Judging based on assumptions is not IMHO. I am not sure that even with 200 dives, I would not have the same negative comments from the very same people. But, I don’t care about them and it takes me less than 60 seconds each time to answer their attack.
4) For the rest, you gave me some very valuable intel.
Thank you.

 

[Edward3c]

I do 1:1 all the time. But 1:10 is not bad, is it? For example, my instructor (with over x000 dives) still profess the 1/4 turn back on the air valve. I disagree and don’t do it. My instructor does not like me having a snorkel. I do it anyway.
Do understand. I am the first one to be aware that I still need to learn and get experience. Don’t worry, you will never see me in the Accident section. But if you ask me if I am 100% sure to be able to take care of trainees as well as me or my wife, I will honestly say no. And I am not sure that I will with 1000 dives.

Sounds like you’ve done all your training with the same instructor. I think you need a new one, if only to give you a different prospective.

 

[Dody]

Sounds like you’ve done all your training with the same instructor. I think you need a new one, if only to give you a different prospective.

You might be right.

 

[Dody]

Some extracts from ISO requirement for Dive Leaders (DM):

Clause 8.1:
Students shall competently conduct the following skills in a manner showing highest level mastery and competence:
— use of mask, fins and snorkel;
— diving equipment assembly and disassembly (at water’s edge);
— entries and exits;
— proper weighting;
— mouthpiece clearing both snorkel and regulator;
— regulator/snorkel exchanges at the surface;
— proper descent and ascent procedures (e.g. equalising pressure in ears and mask);
— swim under water efficiently with appropriate buoyancy and attitude control;
— mask-clearing, including removal and replacement;
— controlled breathing under water without mask;
— buddy-system techniques (e.g. appropriate hand signals, staying close, monitoring the buddy);
— under-water and surface buoyancy control;
— under-water problem-solving (e.g. regulator recovery);
— monitoring instruments;
— surface-snorkel swimming with full diving equipment; the diver shall be able to swim back to the point of safe exit;
— surface operation of the quick release of the weight ballast system;
— removal and replacement of weight ballast system;
— removal of scuba system on the surface;
— procedures allowing a scuba diver to ascend to the surface in the event of an out-of-breathing gas situation, acting as both receiver and donor: this may include emergency ascents and the use of alternative breathing gas supply (own and buddy’s);
— equipment care and maintenance (at water’s edge);
— diver assistance techniques (self/buddy) (i.e. to assist a buddy to the surface and provide support on the surface);
— under-water navigation;
— use of a surface marker buoy (delayed or permanent).

Clause 11.3: To be certified as a scuba diver level 3, the student shall have logged at least 60 open water dives or 50 open water dives with a total accumulated underwater time of 25 h. At least 40 of these dives shall have been completed after level 2 in accordance with ISO 24801-2.
At least 30 open water dives shall include as wide a range of environmental factors as possible to ensure that the student has a wide range of experience. Examples of more demanding environmental factors can be:
— low visibility (less than 2 m horizontal);
— currents (more than 0,25 m/s (approximately half a knot));

Doesn’t seem you meet the required standards from your initial post.

Yes, I do meet the requirement. But I failed in this instance. If you tell me that it never happened to no Good DM, I will accept that.

 

[Edward3c]

Yes, I do meet the requirement. But I failed in this instance. If you tell me that it never happened to no Good DM, I will accept that.

We don’t teach DMs, but Dive Leaders who have to demonstrate leadership and dive site management skills before qualification award.

 

[Rollin Bonz]

. I am not sure that even with 200 dives, I would not have the same negative comments from the very same people.

The REAL question is not whether, after 200 dives, you'd have the same negative comments, the REAL question is would you even need to make this post in the first place...

 

[Dody]

We don’t teach DMs, but Dive Leaders who have to demonstrate leadership and dive site management skills before qualification award.

What is a Dive Leader? As I said in my first post, I am not diving professionally. But if I can use my skills to help others getting into this world with all safety measures, it is ok. i have failed this time. But as you understand, I am still wondering why I failed.

 

[Esprise Me]

3) In fact, the real question is : when are you ready?

This would probably make a great thread of its own-- how to know if you're ready to be a DM. And if you were genuinely interested in the responses, I would encourage you to start it. But not if you're going to call people bullies and ass*** for telling you you're not ready.

 

[Dody]

The REAL question is not whether, after 200 dives, you'd have the same negative comments, the REAL question is would you even need to make this post in the first place...

Best response I have had to one of my posts in six months.