Capt Jim Wyatt
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At RR we just simply do not allow divers to take anything from the reefs.
Can we take things from the ocean?
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M-Cameron
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my wife loves penguins....so i make it a habit to bring her a pebble from every dive i go on....she keeps them all in a little rock garden.
other than that ill grab bottles, pottery shards, the occasional gold bar.
use your best judgement, no coral, nothing living, nothing that will damage the eco system.
and dont get hung up on some of the uppity divers who act like removing a shell from the ocean is "ruining the sport"...that shell is going to be ground into dust in a few weeks by waves anyways.....nothing lasts forever.
other than that ill grab bottles, pottery shards, the occasional gold bar.
use your best judgement, no coral, nothing living, nothing that will damage the eco system.
and dont get hung up on some of the uppity divers who act like removing a shell from the ocean is "ruining the sport"...that shell is going to be ground into dust in a few weeks by waves anyways.....nothing lasts forever.
scubaozy
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Sure I judge you or others based on their actions. We humans moved on from being hunter gatherers long time ago. I got an education and a job to be able to feed my self and for not having to slaughter what I eat my self. You make a hedonist choice, do not expect roses. We are living at the luckier parts of the world, we already use way more of earth resources than our share, we could use few less lobsters or fish.
M-Cameron
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...you are calling someone "hedonistic" because they obtain their own food....?
get off your high horse....how is it any more moral to pay someone to catch a fish for you than to do it yourself?
it must be nice to be so privileged to be able to pay people to do work for you, just so you can judge others for doing the same work for themselves.
scubaozy
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No he called him self that. " They are all pretty exciting events for me." means thrill seeking. This is in my view hedonism. If I need to choose between the man pays the fisher and the man who kills for excitement, I would choose the first. How hard is this to grasp?
M-Cameron
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excitement =/= hedonism
im sure in old cave man times, when they killed a mastadon, that was pretty exciting.....does that make them all hedonists for obtaining food for themselves?
hell, i get excited when i cook myself a nice meal....am i a hedonist?.....or am i allowed to only eat bread and water?
hell, do you think the fisher isnt excited when he gets a big catch?...is the man who pays for his fish also not guilty of "hedonism" by proxy?
you are making stupid arguments is what im saying.
I occasionally read about that. While I definitely am not a deliberate rule breaker, I don't really understand the sentiment. Unless there's still bodies inside of course, then I think you'd have to be pretty sick to even go in there unless it was something like a body recovery. 50 year old bones? Wouldn't have occurred to me not to go in there and take souvenirs if it weren't such a hot topic.
I understand retired navy sailors tend to have a strong opinion on the matter, and I definitely respect those folks opinions.
As for a wreck being "owned" by someone... I think that's BS, but I'm just a fat guy with a keyboard and neither a lawyer nor used car salesman.
Finding excitement while obtaining some of your own food is not killing for excitement. That's a false equivalence. Most living creatures exist through killing and consuming other living creatures. That's the fundamental nature of things. Experiencing the undersea world involves watching a constant process of killing and consumption, from corals catching live plankton in their tiny tentacles to sharks hunting down other sea creatures. Killing and eating seem to be the primary activity among oceanic inhabitants. People in pre-industrial times spent much of their time in the same manner. Food shopping and going out to eat are really just indirect hunter/gatherer activities.
captain
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So you are ok with paying somebody to catch the fish for you that used a net drug across the ocean floor pulling up anything in it's path and what is not wanted dies and gets thrown back in the water? Out of site out of mind I guess. But you look down on the man that went and shot his own fish for dinner that affected nothing but that one fish ok I grasp that!
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