Thai Law concerning Dive Guides

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The Day before Yesterday, my girlfriend and I were Told by one of the Instructors at Simple Life Diving in Koh Tao that it is Thai Law that we cannot Dive alone with out a guide. Is there such a Thai Law?

We recently did a couple of 30msw dives out of Pattaya unescorted, and also did some unescorted dives with another outfit in Koh Tao recently.

Otherwise Koh Tao is a great place. I'll be adding it to my top 10 Dive Destinations.

No enforced law....(in Thailand you never know what old laws exist, they never cancel laws they just don't enforce them anymore, which is very strange).
Dive shop policy..... In general dive shops do restrict a lot more in Thailand. Which from what I have seen has also good reason. Just find a other dive shop
 
Very good question, given that Thai law also require anyone who works as a 'guide' to be a Thai national. I've been told that foreigners cannot have their work permits include roles/responsibilities listed as 'dive guide' for this reason (the law states the the occupation of 'guide or conducting sightseeing tours' is prohibited to foreigners). Maybe there's some way of phrasing it so that dive guides are listed as 'dive leaders' or something. But then the question remains, what is the definition of a dive guide according to the law cited by the operator the OP used? Would a 'dive leader' suffice?

No matter how interesting the issue may be to us here in the industry, the real point is, John, that for all intents and purposes, even if there is such a regulation about diving (in a Marine Park?) being permitting only under supervision, there has been no enforcement in living memory, so there is something odd about the dive op giving you this information--maybe as Ayesha suggests, there's been a misunderstanding somewhere along the way.... between some "enforcer" and the shop management, or the management and the staff, or just a confusion in the staffer's mind?

Hi Quero,

That's exactly why I would like to know about this defination, since my limited knowledge of Thai law does includes the knowledge of a guide being a Thai national.
 
If this is indeed a "law" (which I highly doubt and have never heard of in the 20 odd years I've been living and diving here) it must have been written down somewhere by some-one.
Ask the shop if they can show you the official written "law". If they do have that then please scan it and post it here on Scubaboard (I'd love to read it!). If they do not have it, dive with the shop next door!
 
The dive centre I work thought has a little bit more of a flexibly policy. If we have a buddy pair of expereinced divers then on certain dives we are quite happy if they want to conduct their own dives. Clearly they are well briefed on the sites and will have completed a couple of 'guided dives' first - like anywhere would do a check out or orientation dive. As a smaller dive centre though we do tend attract more of this type of diver. I guess most centres stick rigidly to all divers being guided as there are quite alot of novice divers here. We do like to ensure that both expereinced divers and novice divers needs are looked after.
 
The Day before Yesterday, my girlfriend and I were Told by one of the Instructors at Simple Life Diving in Koh Tao that it is Thai Law that we cannot Dive alone with out a guide. Is there such a Thai Law?

We recently did a couple of 30msw dives out of Pattaya unescorted, and also did some unescorted dives with another outfit in Koh Tao recently.

Otherwise Koh Tao is a great place. I'll be adding it to my top 10 Dive Destinations.

Hello John!

I think everyone's got it a little right. in my 22yrs of running dives in Thailand there have been so many rumours, rules, TAT, CMAS things going on, all with a grain of truth.

i think there was even once a directive that each live-aboard had to have Thai employee to make sure dives were conducted safely.

I also don't know of any time where any guidelines have ever been enforced. It really depends on good judgement on the operators' part.

I certainly wouldn't insist you dived with a member of crew of the Trident. Look at the mess a famous US one can make!

Glad you seemed to enjoy the shallower bits of Thailand! Sorry to have missed you
 
I certainly wouldn't insist you dived with a member of crew of the Trident. Look at the mess a famous US one can make!

I hope that was not me? That's the ticket I will now insist that MV Trident provides my own private guide on all dives beyond 40M. Thanks for the idea Jamie.:D

Guess not since I am only famous in my own mind. :(

John
 
Well, they are not selling me a guided trip but selling it to the original poster.

I have never read the law, but a course director told my IDC class about it, and I chose to believe him.

He also said that it is not enforced which I restated here.

At most dive shops that I know there is no price difference if you dive independent or with a DM/DMT. So unless that is the case at Simple Life (that it costs more) then there is no reason for the original poster to worry about it don't you think?
 
Well, they are not selling me a guided trip but selling it to the original poster.
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At most dive shops that I know there is no price difference if you dive independent or with a DM/DMT. So unless that is the case at Simple Life (that it costs more) then there is no reason for the original poster to worry about it don't you think?

Tom, your point has a certain logic to it, if all else were equal, but that is often not the case. Very experienced divers (the OP is an instructor with cave and tech certs, so I would assume a high level of experience) may prefer not to be herded around in a group at a pace and route established by a DM. Not only that, but the dive guide in question could very well be a fairly inexperienced DM--one of those 60-dive zero-to-hero wonders we all know are out there. Furthermore, as far as cost goes, if an experienced diver does not want to dive with a group and the shop insists on guided dives, the only option would be to hire a private DM, which of course comes at a premium on top of the standard price of the dive. I know nothing about Simple Life, and their policies and practices may not reflect this kind of reality, but it's at least one reason, in theory, that the OP might be concerned about a strictly-enforced guided dive policy.
 
Glad you seemed to enjoy the shallower bits of Thailand! Sorry to have missed you

Koh Tao was as beautiful as you said it was( above and below) I seem to have grown quite fond of diving in Thailand and this is my 4th trip here since our adventure last March. I should be ready with my re breather(and return to tech) when your back on the Trident.

We ended up doing a couple more days of diving with Big Blue and had a really good time.

BTW for those interested the Dive site that this originally occurred was "Twins". I'm sure all was just a misunderstanding, so no foul intended.
 
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