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Bill
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Not sure of your point. Did you have one?
 
To the OP... As someone who started out SSI for OWD, switched to PADI to get DM, switched to SSI to get instructor and then switched to NAUI via instructor crossover, I say go for it how you see fit. I got to see a lot about each agency and truly learned a lot from each one. I was able to incorporate those bits from every agency into how I teach my classes and I'm glad to have done things the way I did. As you've probably read in this post each agency has something great to offer.

Finding an agency that you want to work with is much like buying a BCD. You have to find one that fits and is comfortable.
 
Not sure of your point. Did you have one?

The point is in your statement. Some of us don't have the "spendable income" such as yourself.



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Treasury activity has no impact here. Printed money doesn't become "disposable personal income" until it is earned as income by a person. It's essentially "total after-tax earnings" in the US. The analysis doesn't account for whether it's sufficient to cover all expenses and then buy a mansion and a yacht.... or even a loaf of bread. It just says how much "spendable income" is out there.

I think what you are struggling with is the economic reality that things actually AREN'T "tough all over" from an income distribution standpoint. It may very well be the case that fewer people have a lot more money, while others may have very little. Still others may have a fair bit of spendable money... but perhaps it's just not enough to pay the mortgage on the house they had no business buying in the first place and the lease payment on the car they can't afford. "

 
The point is in your statement. Some of us don't have the "spendable income" such as yourself.



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Originally Posted by RJP

Treasury activity has no impact here. Printed money doesn't become "disposable personal income" until it is earned as income by a person. It's essentially "total after-tax earnings" in the US. The analysis doesn't account for whether it's sufficient to cover all expenses and then buy a mansion and a yacht.... or even a loaf of bread. It just says how much "spendable income" is out there.

I think what you are struggling with is the economic reality that things actually AREN'T "tough all over" from an income distribution standpoint. It may very well be the case that fewer people have a lot more money, while others may have very little. Still others may have a fair bit of spendable money... but perhaps it's just not enough to pay the mortgage on the house they had no business buying in the first place and the lease payment on the car they can't afford. "


I wasn't disputing that. (though never said I "have such spendable income" anywhere.)

I was was merely pointing out that some people do, so things aren't tough "all" over. This in response to the suggesting that the economy was such that no-one had ANY money... and disputing the statistics that disposable income had hit an all time high.
 
Hi dpspaceman,

I will be 68 this month, so my dives are limited to vacations only now. Spent 60 years sport diving, Navy diver, commercial and instructor, NASGW and L.A. County ( which was a clone of NAUI ). I will take the liberty of offering a few suggestions :

- both NAUI and PADI have great progressive programs and a long history of proper attention to basics and rigorous instruction
- when deciding between NAUI and PADI , consider learning something about the instructor who will be teaching the course and weigh that in
- there is something to be said for convenience and value but if you favor one over the other after a little more research, the difference in money is not that great
- you will probably find that if you do move upward in coursework and certifications, you may switch around a bit in who's course you take... again, look at the instructor and talk to graduates.... most programs have a lot to offer and proficiency will come as much from proper practice and application as who certifies you
- decide what type of diving you will be doing and where you intend to do it and seek coursework linked to those applications... basics will be the same in Australia, Belize or the Oregon Coast but the flora, fauna and water conditions can differ dramatically.
- get very comfortable with each level of certification you tackle and make your learned behavior second nature before you move to the next
- don't rush it, be careful, have fun and all the best'.... it's a lifetime of glorious adventure
 
When the apprentice is ready the master will appear.

Find an instructor you trust and the agency will follow. I would even go further and try to find a different instructor for each of the courses you plan on taking. The 2 most difficult things for a new diver is finding a great instructor and selecting the right dive gear the first time around. You don't know what you don't know.......
 
We went ahead and went with PADI. We enjoyed our instructors, but wasn't too impressed with the overall knowledge sharing. I learned most of what was reviewed by reading the book.

The instructors were very helpful with our large group and were great in the water.


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