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There was considerable UW and top side police activity in the genesis of diving
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3) The big bust was on the wreck of the Winfield Scott which was declared a national historic site and absolutely no touch - no take zone.
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There was a charter (as I recall on Glen Millers boat) to the WS. ... including a number of federal officers.

After the first dive all the wreck divers held up their loot for pictures and discussion, which was taped recorded. After their "show and tell" the federal officers identified themselves and stated "You are under arrest, take off your equipment stack it in the corner and set over there " and began writing tickets.
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If this resulted in the equipment being seized, what in that sort of case does the seizing authority do with the seized equipment? Sell it? Send the large metal objects in it for scrap and incinerate the rest? Or what?
 
If this resulted in the equipment being seized, what in that sort of case does the seizing authority do with the seized equipment? Sell it? Send the large metal objects in it for scrap and incinerate the rest? Or what?
I would guess that what happens to the seized material would depend upon the material and other situations.

When I dived in Grand Cayman, we did a night dive in a shallow area that featured an ancient anchor that was from the wreck of the ten sail. The anchor was not in its original location, though. The story we were told was that several divers brought it up and took it away in a pickup truck, which is very much against the law. They were captured. Not knowing exactly where the anchor had been originally, they had put it in the ocean in the place where we were diving, which was reasonably close to the correct spot.
 
1970, was on the volunteer St Louis/St Charles Dive Team. We did SAR for Fire and Poloce. No specific training outside of informal Saturday splashes with some tethered Grope n' Probe.

No pay, just what we did before lawyers and insurance companies got wind of it and Govt Agencies found out that they could get more shiny stuff to play with.

For years, the FD- that's where the diving community got our tanks filled....that and gas stations.

Hard to believe by today's standards.
 
@Anthony Appleyard

In the early 1960s the California Fish and Game ( F&G) would on occasion confiscate equipment, boats etc. of the serious violators. These items in turn would be place up for public auction generally in the beginning of the year.

It was quite an event - some times you could acquire equipment at bargain price but often the frenzy of bidding occurred increasing the price to almost retail.

Now ALL the seized items, diving equipment, and especially firearms are chopped up and melted back into metal. I understand that the vehicles and boats are still sold at auction


@boulder john
A post I made almost a year ago in the vintage section about anchors..
"Trapezus,
You never fail to amaze me ...What a thrill to wake up in the early morning pre light of day in California to another one of your submissions, whether it be videos or photographs

Today it was two great photographs of moments frozen in time from the very early and very historical JYC movie "Par 30 Metres de Fond"

It is interesting to note, as in so may of your wonderful submissions of divers from all over the world from the very inception of self contained dive to the introduction of the single hose regulator . The configuration of the equipment worn by the divers. the unique fins all apparently non are adjustable in different shapes and colors (if not in B & W} the mask (aka face plate) from the equalization bulbs to homemade and of course the tanks and regulators (aka Blocks) all shapes sizes and forms

The picture of the amphorae salvage, which rested for 2000 years under the sea is classic, It is being exhumed for all to marvel at hopefully in a museum for now an eternity

In California we also had out amphorae , but they were not amphora they were anchors, antique anchors the " yacht mans kedges" also known by the public as "Popeye Anchors" for it was his cartoons that made them famous.

On occasion we would unexpectedly discover them while diving, some times setting in the open other times buried under years of sediment, some were small and could be swam to the surface and others were huge requiring lift devices.

As a participant of recreational diving since the 1940s I was fortunate to have discovered and salvaged number of the anchors, some were small, and I swam the to the surface the larger ones up to and over 100 pounds I used the lift bags of the 1940s & 1950s the WW11 US surplus water bag aka the "Lister" bag which as I recall at this junction in my life was about equal to a 55 gallon metal drum, but it folded into a some what manageable size. ( I had some very interesting hair raising experiences with Lister bags and salvaging anchors - stories for a later date)

I now only have two anchors from that era are presentable in size about 5 foot tall and weigh about 50 to 75 pounds the others I salvaged have slowly slipped away .. as a gifts or I traded way

The current anchors along with five SCUBA bells are what is know in California and I assume the rest of the US as Yard Art and are all displayed in the yard.

The largest anchor that the tribe salvaged was 7000 pounds yachtsman's kedge located in 110 to 160 feet of water off Catalina Island on June 4 1960. This time we used reinforcement aka Rebar stock as toggles and 55 gallon drums as the lifting devices

Like the record 1000 foot Keller dive at Catalina short time later, which I was also a witness The anchor salvage was a success but also a tragedy involving 3 deaths- one on the dive, my room mate and the first and only LA Co UW instructor to drown Joe Bob Mc Cabe ( he was a Texan) who was poisoned by CO2 and recovered at 210 feet -- Later like Peter Small's wife Joes girlfriend took her life followed by Joes brother lost his life to an heart ailment ..three lives lost all is short order

The salvage was documented by the discoverer Bob Rutherford. The film shot by Bob won the professional photography category at the 1961 International Underwater Film Festival ( google: Legends of diving - Sea Sabers Signaling System--Bob also invented UW signaling ) and in several articles in Skin Diver Magazine and one "mans Magazine" of the era (which I have packed away)

The anchor was sold to Pierpont landing for $500.00. Up on the closing of Pierpont landing the anchor was donated to the Maritime Museum in San Pedro and now rest in front of the entrance - a silent tribute to the success and tragedy of "The Anchor that had to be raised.."

All this occurred before 1960 - only 56 years ago- in the era of exploration and experimentation of very crude equipment, often homemade, used by courageous divers to explore the unexplored - to dive places that had never been dove before

SDM "

@Doc
Gosh! 1970 ! Y you were a true pioneer of the mid west diving ...

I am still curious ???? PADI way before there was numbers?
I still find your statement interesting !

SDM,III
 
@Anthony Appleyard

In the early 1960s the California Fish and Game ( F&G) would on occasion confiscate equipment, boats etc. of the serious violators. These items in turn would be place up for public auction generally in the beginning of the year.
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Now ALL the seized items, diving equipment, and especially firearms are chopped up and melted back into metal. I understand that the vehicles and boats are still sold at auction
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But, what happens to the plastic and rubber/neoprene/nylon/etc parts? The amount of metal in modern scuba gear seems to be small, except the cylinders and weights, and the first-stage and A-clamp parts of demand valves. What I had imaginations of, was: sort out the cylinders and weights, and any other big metal objects and parts; cut out plastic parts that are too hard to shred easily, such as stab-jacket backplates; empty out any rebreather absorbent; shred the rest to prevent unauthorized recovery by workmen, and then treat it as general waste; or incinerate it at once.

I am in England. The nearest that I have had to official seizure is: two cylinders failed test and were kept by the tester. The first was made with a strong plastic anti-rust sheath; the tester deemed that to be an unauthorized construction, and did not return it. The second was my first aqualung cylinder ever: a Submarine Products cylinder, 5 inches diameter, and long; it served me well on many dives in cold low-visibility water, but at last on test it failed its stretch test, and the tester cut it in half with a power-saw to prevent re-use; earlier they used to drill a hole in test-failed cylinders, until cases happened of people welding up the hole and re-using the cylinder.

In a story I came across someone hoping that "my fin buckles don't end up in an inshore fishing village's harbor boiler-furnace's ash pan", but since then they have started to make even fin buckles of plastic and not metal.
 
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Does this count?

I have never been in a firearms search. Once when I was on a dive, another with me found a sawn-off shotgun barrel, and he handed it in at a police station on his way home after the dive. (I am in England.).

I am familiar with the sort of still freshwater bottom described above: I call it "soft fluffy mud", because it feels fluffy to a bare hand underwater.
Oh no, if police wants some guns, they can go search for themselves. Right now, I'm in a process of building mi-self a nice log cabin, which will be decorated with my scuba findings.

France has a scuba police, which actually look if you went deeper than certified for (only with shops) :popcorn:. They're diving policemen, but I don't think those are the suspects you were thinking about.

:bounce:
You do realize this calls for another max depth debate?
 
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Does this count?

.... Right now, I'm in a process of building mi-self a nice log cabin, which will be decorated with my scuba findings.
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I suppose it counts as salvaged junk which often become diving treasures, which some how hang around for generations as it has in my home

I note the remains of some firearms and a WW11 German bayonet scabbard and assorted items.

You might want to post about you new dive cabin in a thread I began some time ago titled " A divers house "

A divers house

Thanks for the post from afar

Sam Miller, 111
 
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I suppose it counts as salvaged junk which often become diving treasures, which some how hang around for generations as it has in my home

I note the remains of some firearms and a WW11 German bayonet scabbard and assorted items.

You might want to post about you new dive cabin in a thread I began some time ago titled " A divers house "

A divers house

Thanks for the post from afar

Sam Miller, 111
Well, it's not finished enough to be called house at all, even less dive cabin,still a lot of work to do....
 
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