Record deep dive challenged

[BlueTrin]

@mac64 so they probably didn’t name him because the info is public.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....epest-scuba-dive-at-more-than-1000-feet-60537

Assisting Guinness World Records adjudicator Talal Omar in making the official measurements were three independent expert witnesses: Vice Dean of Engineering for the Cairo campus of the Arab Academy for Science, Technology and Maritime Transport, professor Ayman Wanas; Professional Association of Diving Instructors course director Mustafa Alsayyad; and Technical Diving International instructor/trainer Ahmed S. Hussein.

I do not know if any journalist has tried to interview Talal Omar.

Like you said the Guinness records are managed by Guinness, so unless someone has a definitive proof, it’s up to them to handle the issue.

@stephanwhelan , do you happen to know if someone has tried to contact the names above on the Guinness team ?

 

[Celt]

@mac64 so they probably didn’t name him because the info is public.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....epest-scuba-dive-at-more-than-1000-feet-60537



I do not know if any journalist has tried to interview Talal Omar. The Guinness records are managed by Guinness like you said, so unless someone has a definitive proof, it’s up to them to handle the issue.

@stephanwhelan , do you happen to know if someone has tried to contact the names above on the Guinness team ?

Sure hope scubasam,s account of the handling of the tags doesn’t turn out to be true, It would make a farce of Ahmed,s record and call into question other genuine records

 

[tursiops]

Best thing that could happen would be if Guinness just gave up on the whole thing, and said no more scuba records.
Might even save a life....or a lifelong disability.....

 

[boulderjohn]

Best thing that could happen would be if Guinness just gave up on the whole thing, and said no more scuba records.

Thy have given up other categories that they have deemed too dangerous.
Record policies

 

[Centrals]

Depth gauges aren't accurate enough for Guinness. Thats why they worked on the rope (materials, stretch and angle in water with weight) which gives a relatively solid gauge of depth. Most commercial diver depth gauges aren't accurate enough at the limit of their range, changes in water temp and salinity will also play a role, as they measure ATA not absolute depth below surface, even a stormy day will throw them off. Not an issue for diving as we need ATA for deco, not absolute depth, but it's enough of an issue to make them unreliable for world record purposes.

I meant bottom timer.
Anyway the man himself was using Uwatec/SP bottom timer.

 

[CptTightPants21]

Best thing that could happen would be if Guinness just gave up on the whole thing, and said no more scuba records.
Might even save a life....or a lifelong disability.....

At some point the risks become too great and humans begin to essentially chase 1s and 0s on a computer screen. What they should do is treat any depth greater than 300 meters (1000ft) like 'Outer Space'. There is going to a planet/moon and then there is just going into Space; it doesn't matter how far into Space you travel, Space is just Space. It is still quite an accomplishment, but today people that go past 300 meters should be treated like people who go into Space, nothing more.

 

[vjb.knife1]

At some point the risks become too great and humans begin to essentially chase 1s and 0s on a computer screen. What they should do is treat any depth greater than 300 meters (1000ft) like 'Outer Space'. There is going to a planet/moon and then there is just going into Space; it doesn't matter how far into Space you travel, Space is just Space. It is still quite an accomplishment, but today people that go past 300 meters should be treated like people who go into Space, nothing more.

I believe that using scuba equipment on dives like this below about 100 meters is foolish and should be comtrolled. This equipment is not suitable or safe. Even surface supplied diving at these depths is risky at best.

 

[RainPilot]

I meant bottom timer.

I assumed that was what you meant. A bottom timer is just a pressure gauge measuring ATA and a processor converting that to depth for display purposes, along with timing displays. Any depth gauge, whether digital or mechanical, is measuring ATA and displaying depth, they will not give the actual physical distance from the surface to any accuracy that Guinness would be interested in. Similarly, an aircraft altimeter at 40 000 ft does not measure the actual distance from sea level to the aircraft, it just gives useful information not necessarily very accurate information.

Anyway the man himself was using Uwatec/SP bottom timer.

Yes, because his deco plans revolved around ATA converted to depth, like all of us do, so for him to get a useful idea of his actual depth and a very accurate measure of his on gassing and off gassing, the bottom timer was perfectly adequate.

It's the same as going for a tech dive in the ocean with your computers set to fresh water, not salt. You will be absolutely fine for deco etc as long as you do not use the depth information to go to written tables etc. The depths will be all kinds of wrong but the ATA will be correct and that's what matters.

 

[cathal]

According to “scubasam”

• A Guinness Adjudicator arrives at Sharm El Sheikh airport and is met by Gabr’s project manager who has the tags in his possession.
• The Guinness Adjudicator signs and stamps the tags
• The adjudicator is dropped off at his hotel in Dahab without the tags. These are taken away to be wrapped and prepared.
• If this is true why hasn’t the Guinness adjudicator been named in any of the articles even though it’s common knowledge?

Wow, the Guinness adjudicator hands back the signed tags to the Divers Team???

 

[Celt]

Wow, the Guinness adjudicator hands back the signed tags to the Divers Team???

2 signed and stamped tags for each new record depth, a day before the dive took place, if that’s not the elephant in the room what is, surely Guinness will address that allegation. The next morning the rope was payed out on the road and the covered tags put on 2 at each of the new record depths. It was then loaded in a barrel and brought to the site and wasn’t recovered till the day after the dive. That’s what’s been alleged.