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12 boys lost in flooded Thai cave

Discussion in 'Accidents and Incidents' started by Dogbowl, Jun 26, 2018.

  1. Dan_T

    Dan_T Great White

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    Based on the Tham Luang sump profile, the worst one was at the beginning. the rest were manageable. Once the boys went through the first sump, the rest would be like strolling downhills, so-to-speak.
     
  2. SailorJoe

    SailorJoe Angel Fish

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    "These caves are home to a surprising abundance of wildlife, from birds and bats to rats, which can carry microbes, including rabies, Marburg virus and obscure fungal pathogens. As you go deeper, caves become lost worlds of venomous spiders, millipedes and scorpions. The ticks that feed on them carry “cave fever”, a rare disease that is also sometimes caught in abandoned buildings."

    How cow! The boys & divers aren't out of the woods yet! :eek:
     
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  3. Wingy

    Wingy Solo Diver

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    @dant - exactly, the dosage must have been perfect so they weren't comatose zombies but...comfortably numb.
     
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  4. Storker

    Storker Photographer

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    "Is there anybody out there?"

     
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  5. taimen

    taimen Barracuda

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    Unlike most other anesthetics ketamine does not suppress breathing that much. That is why it's is a common choice when sedation is required without advanced monitoring (and possibility to assist ventilation). It is still used in some field applications in extreme or primitive conditions. Probably these same qualities make it very useful in veterinary work...
     
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  6. Wingy

    Wingy Solo Diver

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    Thank you @taiman for a much better informed answer as to ketamine s rather than my observations gleaned from watching junkies and horses being gelded.
     
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  7. Medic4070

    Medic4070 Garibaldi

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    Ketamine is very commonly used in emergency medicine for pain control, sedation and amnestic effects. Ketamine is dosed by the patient's weight and will produce varying effects, depending on the dose given. It's used very often in pediatrics for procedural sedation, to sedate the patient enough to allow for painful or uncomfortable medical treatment while still allowing the patient to maintain their own airway, speak, etc. It's also used in prehospital (EMS) medicine for pain control and sedation as well. It's actually a pretty good choice of drug for this situation, given the victim's age and potential for panic/anxiety or future psychological issues. Since it has some amnestic properties, it could block their memory of the actual extraction/rescue. Probably better if the kids were just snowed from the start and didn't remember getting dragged out under water, in the dark!
     
  8. KathyV

    KathyV Great White

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  9. Dan_T

    Dan_T Great White

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  10. SailorJoe

    SailorJoe Angel Fish

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    Thanks for the post Kathy. More details on the sedation:

    "Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha said they had been lightly sedated. But the BBC has spoken to a number of people involved in the operation who say the boys were heavily sedated, and only semi-conscious.

    The logic for this would be the fear their rescuers had that they would panic when wearing diving equipment for the first time in darkness and swirling cave water, endangering the lives of all of them...."
     

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