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12 boys lost in flooded Thai cave

Discussion in 'Search & Rescue' started by Dogbowl, Jun 26, 2018.

  1. Wingy

    Wingy Solo Diver

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    Just reiterating my opinion on "The Thais deserve a clap on the back for knowing when to ask for help" comments and their ability to handle disaster/crisis management incidents - Boxing Day Tsunami anyone??
    There are worldwide working groups who are the experts in policy post disaster who unravel what went wrong, why and how not to let it happen again.
    The presence of NGOs and floods of Aid from even other governments has often caused delays in aid - Haitis airports were reportedly so full of US equipment and troops resulted in a gridlock leaving doctors from Medicinal Sans Frontiers and other nations rescue teams unable to enter the country any other way than by land severely hampering their initial effectiveness.
    The Thais know from Boxing Day some incidents are too big to handle, the policy and procedures of managing personnel of international teams from 13 nations, which personnel are needed, how and who to speak to and what to let out to media when. Panic and chaos was what they had and they know it's the exact opposite of what they needed - and yes, the King did pull his crown on and get down to business.
    I'd hazard a guess the Australians weren't just sent their to provide Craig Challon & Harry with support. We have pretty good emergency services procedures and protocols - I just read one of the training manuals for open water S & R, all 47 pages. We've fine tuned them too because we have experienced failures of management leading to mass deaths in natural disasters (fires) and we can have a team on the ground in hours.
    Just an interesting snapshot of Dr Harris - Dr Richard Harris - Specialist Anaesthetic Services
    Not just a cave diver, not just a doctor, but part of those highly skilled teams we have as heros that show up, get the job done, go home and stay out of the limelight. It wouldn't surprise me if Craig Challon was also involved in emergency response work.
    I'm so very glad Thailand and the world pulled together for this, but as an Aussie, I'm always going to thank the Brits for getting the ball rolling so quickly, knowing we had what they needed to get the job done. Aussies are always proud of our quiet heros who answer the call and go above and beyond.
    There may also be a diplomatic feel good story come out of all this I hope - Myanmar sending assistance given the Rohinga situation and coach Ek and many of the people in the area being Refugees who have fled Myanmar hopefully will lead to some sort of healing of this rift between neighbours who put down the bows and arrows and dug mud with their bare hands side by side to achieve a goal no one thought either side would kick.
     
  2. InTheDrink

    InTheDrink DIR Practitioner

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    Wish these people could take on political leadership roles rather than the morons we have in place. Quiet. Calm. Modest. Effective.

    Pretty much the opposite of what we have.

    Anyhow they risked their lives for something close to mission impossible and achieved it and they will always be heroes in my eyes.

    The whole entire team.
     
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  3. Ken Kurtis

    Ken Kurtis Contributor

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  4. KenGordon

    KenGordon Rebreather Pilot

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    Thai king takes control of crown assets

    Probably the most powerful monarch there is.
     
  5. InTheDrink

    InTheDrink DIR Practitioner

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    Potentially even more stupid reply than normal and I’ve never used a FFS but wonder whether they used duct tape or similar to avoid masks get dislodged in constrictions?

    Keeping those masks on and not flooding must have been a significant concern (guessing obviously).

    Even one boy having a problem feels like it could have changed the entire result.
     
  6. Laurie S.

    Laurie S. Assistant Instructor

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    They tried the masks on boys of similar size in a swimming pool and found that by pulling all the straps down fully, the mask stayed on tightly.
     
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  7. Centrals

    Centrals Barangay Pasaway

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  8. whereisthesea

    whereisthesea Registered

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  9. Wingy

    Wingy Solo Diver

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    Heartening to see some of the people involved in the Chang Rai rescue being a part of the Laos dam disaster floods pullling out a toddler alive.

    Thai cave rescuers save baby from flood

    "Is there anything they can't do"

    What a way to thank communist Laos who are a little ill equipped with disaster response for sending who they could to Chang Rai. The knowledge learned from Chang Rai being shared amongst neighbours and fine tuning of disaster response strategies around the world is a huge benefit. I'm just simply in awe of the divers after watching their personal stories. To lose a guiderope, keep it together to surface to try and orientate yourself while finding a ledge to rest a sedated child totally dependant on you for survival, think it through and continue on cradling that child to the next pair of hands is beyond amazing.
     
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  10. Schwob

    Schwob Solo Diver

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    Was this Jull Heinerth video posted here already?


    Accomplished as may be... I am not quite sure what to think of expert explanations of experts who weren't there... I watched at 1.5x speed
     

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