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A FB friend posted his brother died today in Ginnie Springs

Discussion in 'Accidents & Incidents' started by Jim Lapenta, Aug 9, 2013.

  1. Taliena

    Taliena Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Danmark
    Yes, so that is why I always mark them directly after filling. and check them again at the divesite. But I have a white one for oxygen, officially I can use all of my stages for oxygen, but I always use my white one.
  2. elan

    elan DIR Practitioner

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    you probably missed my point. The color does not make any difference especially in dark and low vis environment. As a buddy I cannot see it. But I can see a mod sticker especially when its reflective
  3. PfcAJ

    PfcAJ Contributor

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: St Petersburg, Fl
    Some day, you might end up with oxygen in another colored tank. BOOM the system is broken.

    Dedicate. Tanks.
    Tug likes this.
  4. imasinker

    imasinker Contributor

    # of Dives:
    Location: Toronto Canada
    Amen brother ! Amen.....
  5. Hatul

    Hatul Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Tustin, California, United States
    It's sad and ironic that a simple mistake made by such an advanced and experienced diver resulted in his death. It's also one of the few fatal accidents where we understand the cause and how to prevent it so soon after the accident.
  6. divereh

    divereh Master Instructor

    # of Dives:
    Location: Ontario
    Diving is a sport where you have to learn to walk before you run, people get too complacent and begin to omit critical steps in preparation, in this case I understood it was was incomplete gas analysis, as far as I know that should be step 1. Also 3 years diving technical caves and your pushing limits? Sorry that doesn't work. You want to make a name for your self in this sport by pushing limits beyond your capabilities, It is just a matter of time. I called it 3 years ago.
  7. elan

    elan DIR Practitioner

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Fixed it for you :wink:
  8. Doppler

    Doppler Dive Equipment Manufacturer

    The fact is that complacency kills experienced divers. This statement is contained in more or less that direct a form in most technical diving textbooks. This incident is sad... a family without a dad/husband/son/brother et al... but neither ironic nor should it be surprising that a certified cave and trimix diver died doing a dive that was WELL within the scope of his training and experience. As slight as that experience may have been.

    Diving is an activity that requires some restraint because it is so easy to push beyond one's capabilities... as Steve Berman once said -- and I paraphrase -- any twerp can get to the back of a cave. But not everyone can manage the journey back out.

    I did not know Carlos... never even met him... but I do know the fella who taught him to cave dive and a couple of buddies had dived with him during the past couple of years. He had progressed from open-water punter to trimix and cave in a short space of time. He had the money, time and desire, and the over-arching assessment from the people I know who knew him was that he was very confident... perhaps too much so. But so what. He was certainly enthusiastic. To complete 100 cave dives in a couple of years when you live 16-20 hour drive from the caves is going some. He had not been diving long, and he certainly did not have vast experience even though he had ticked off several "big" dives in his logbook. But I do not believe any of that had anything to do with him being dead right now.

    Experience whispers strange things in our ear. I have lost many, many friends to diving, and have seen many people who I did not know personally... like Carlos Fonseca... die in the water. Part of the job I do involves picking through the debris they leave behind to identify what went wrong and making sure others know and understand so that nobody makes the same ****ing error. Sometimes this is difficult and it is usually painful... the resulting analysis is always difficult for some to accept.

    A buddy of mine is a lawyer who specializes in cases where some poor bastard has died, and he tells me his staff have a kind of open pool going to see how long it is before a friend or relative says, writes or posts on the internet something along the lines: "He was the best diver in the world... I simply do not understand how a thing like this could happen..."

    Someone always says that, even when the diver is a total novice... just like that kid who died in California a couple of years back trying to do an air dive to 80 metres. He was a divemaster... maybe, I forget. Anyhow, he had ZERO training to do that sort of dive but the boy's father insisted his son was a "professional" and would not accept evidence to the contrary... or that his son had probably been lulled into complacency and hubris by his slightly more experienced and certainly older dive buddies.

    In this case, we know what went wrong and we have evidence that the victim ignored warnings from his fellow divers. He certainly ignored best practice. He is not the first diver to make such a rookie mistake. However, the fact that a few years ago he knew **** all about diving is truly irrelevant. He knew what SHOULD be done. He had sat through training and certainly wrote exam questions on gas management. HE CHOSE TO IGNORE WHAT HE KNEW. This is not because of lack of experience or because he progressed rapidly. He simply ignored what he knew to be the right thing to do... that's a function of character, poor judgement, pressure or stress: take your pick.
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2013
    Tug, KevinT, TONY CHANEY and 8 others like this.
  9. HIGHwing

    HIGHwing IDC Staff Instructor

    Two points here. He didn't think he was taking a high mix into the cave. Also, there have been a number of thefts of O2 cylinders by redneck idiots in this particular cave. It's not entirely uncommon for someone to take a mix into the Devil's Cave farther than common protocol in an attempt to assure the bottle will be present upon your return from the dive.

    I'm a growing fan of dropping bottles farther back in the cave just to prevent theft. You never know, you might get delayed and really need that gas.
  10. openmindOW

    openmindOW HSA Instructor

    I'd heard that. Sad.

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