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Accident on Southern Cal Oil Rigs Dive

Discussion in 'Accidents & Incidents' started by Hatul, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. Sidemount_c

    Sidemount_c Public Safety Diver

    # of Dives: I'm a Fish!
    Location: Del Mar, CA
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    Henry was a very experienced diver, we have dove the rigs many many times. I wish people would wait for the autopsy and consider the ‘assume’ factor and the consequences. This is a very difficult and tragic time for his family friends and our scuba family here in La Jolla... Great dude indeed a fantastic human being who always had a smile on his face and a great disposition and I can say with much certainty he was a very competent diver. RIP BUDDY!!!
     
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  2. Kevrumbo

    Kevrumbo Banned

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: South Santa Monica Bay/Los Angeles California, USA
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    Los Angeles County Department of Medical Examiner - Coroner - Case Detail

    Standard LA County public preliminary announcement, nothing objective nor substantive yet pending further investigation as usual. . .
    Really @boulderjohn ? What do we learn here right now in this Accidents & Incidents sub-forum from the same useless nagging and annoying admonishments on speculating by @Ken Kurtis , and the general vague pro forma statement from the County Coroner above??
    Nobody here is "blamestorming" -just sharing common experiences & opinions on this particular dive site, and deducing a hypothesis on what may have happened based on third party information, and search, rescue & recovery accounts by the LA County Sheriff Paramedics/Air 5/Special Enforcement Bureau Dive Operations.

    If you really want the report on the investigation, wait a year and file a request with the LA County Sheriff and Coroner/Dept of the Medical Examiner (and it's only going to state, "COD Drowning -Scuba Dive Accident") . . . otherwise all that's left and available for now are the witness/dive buddy accounts, if they're willing to publicly step forward and comment on the accident.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2017
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  3. Safediversocal

    Safediversocal Registered

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Southern California
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    John you’re right, until the dive buddy that let him go speaks up we won’t know much. By the time they were able to recover Henry the excess nitrox would have off gassed. I hope the investigation includes his “dive buddies” computer as well. Something went wrong was it gear, a medical issue only that buddy can say. I highly doubt they will say anything. It really begs the question though if he was sinking why didn’t the “buddy” do more to Save him. Weights could have been ditched. He could have inflated Henry’s drysuit. Those of us that have dove the rigs and Southern California know Cold water diving is harder. But Henry was a regular cold water diver who worked out often. I hope the corner report will give more details than drowning. His poor kids deserve better than that.
     
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  4. drbill

    drbill The Lorax for the Kelp Forest Scuba Legend

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Santa Catalina Island, CA
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    Annoying to you perhaps, but since the family has requested that we divers not speculate on this incident, I will honor their request.
     
  5. mdb

    mdb ScubaBoard Sponsor ScubaBoard Sponsor

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    I agree with Dr. Bill.

    Speculating; against the request of the dead divers family, is not something we should do.

    Discussing the rigors and hazards of oil rig diving is useful.

    Obviously open ocean, cold water diving, with currents, surge, and boat traffic, requires a certain skill
    level.

    Many posts, from experienced rig divers, have been very informative.
     
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  6. merxlin

    merxlin Divemaster Candidate

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: So. Cal.
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    The purpose of this forum is to try and identify and discuss what may have caused, or what has been identified as a cause, of a scuba accident, and by doing so hopefully educate divers so that a similar event does not occur in the future. Please read the special rules for this forum here Special Rules for the Accidents and Incidents Forum

    Speculation is fine as long as it is identified as such, and should be supported by the basis of that speculation. Speculation of potential causes, and how to mitigate them, is the key. We are not here to blame the diver, or disparage them, but to use this analysis as an educational tool and again, hopefully this knowledge will help other divers avoid similar situations in the future. Just like in life, opinions will vary so let's treat them with respect.

    Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, we rarely get a COD other than drowning,occasionally a medical issue (cardiac arrest, etc.), or underlying medical issue, and even more rare, a bad gas analysis. Without some speculation we would have very few scenarios to discuss.

    Outside of a grievous error on the part of the diver, the purpose is not to assign blame, but to learn and help divers avoid this in the future. We need to be sensitive to how this is perceived by family and friends, but also hope they will understand and even want us to learn from these events so other's friends and families do not have to go through similar situations. Ideally they will only visit here to shed light on the events, and grant us any facts they may have. My family knows I am here and I've asked them to be very open if they can should anything happen to me.
     
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  7. MaxBottomtime

    MaxBottomtime Divemaster

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Torrance, CA
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    Are you really blaming his buddy? You posted earlier that Henry always stayed above his buddies. In this case his buddy chased him down to 167' before racing back to the surface. If a diver is unconsciousness and sinking without a reg in his mouth he will no longer be kicking and will probably sink. The deeper he gets, the faster he will sink. If his buddy tried to do more it would have likely been a double fatality.
     
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  8. elgoog

    elgoog DIR Practitioner

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: San Francisco Bay area
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    Blaming the buddy seems even less productive than speculating cause of death.
     
  9. Bob DBF

    Bob DBF Solo Diver

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: NorCal
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    I'd say because he couldn't. In any rescue there may be a point where the rescuer has to decide whether there will be one or two victims. Read the @MaxBottomtime post, above, again.

    On a dive such as this I will tell my buddy, if I have one, to insure they will be able to surface safely after a rescue before they start, and as it progresses. I don't want to die, or I may be dead already, however I certainly don't want to take an innocent bystander, or worse yet a friend, with me. This is one reason I usually solo for more advanced dives.

    That's a lot of dives on your profile not to understand the situation.



    Bob
     
  10. mdb

    mdb ScubaBoard Sponsor ScubaBoard Sponsor

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    I'm with you Bob DBF;

    I prefer solo diving, except when my sons are in the water, then I am just leading the compass course and
    keeping an eye on the lads.

    A friend, a very experienced diver lost his buddy on a dive on the Andria Doria.

    The lost diver went into the ship in an attempt to find some ships China.

    My friend stayed outside the sunken vessel.

    His buddy never came out. So, he surfaced, taking his decompression stops
    and informed the boat crew.

    They found the lost diver entangled inside the ship.

    I am learning quite a bit on this thread.

    I have a fair amount of CA dive experience, both shore and boat diving.

    Never been diving on the offshore oil rigs.

    What I have learned, so far, is that I would want a good experienced diver as
    a partner on such a dive. I do not think a oil rig dive would be a wise choice for
    a solo dive-at least for me.
     
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