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Accident on Southern Cal Oil Rigs Dive

Discussion in 'Accidents and Incidents' started by Hatul, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. Jonny Wishbone

    Jonny Wishbone Barracuda

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    Understand that when your number is up and its time to go, it doesn't matter what you are doing and how much knowledge and experience you have, a mistake will be made because it is part of the equation. If today was your day to die and you knew you were going to be hit by a truck, you would stay home and think you have beaten death by not going anywhere only to choke on a piece of chicken you fixed yourself for lunch and die. You cannot alter this so I do not believe the guy was careless. In his mind he did check and did have the right regulator in his mouth and was breathing from the correct tank. I apologize to those of you that believe we are in control of our own destiny as I have no intention to offend anyone here. Its just the way I'm wired...
     
  2. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor Staff Member

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    Really? How does this mechanism work? Is there a being who decides what day you will die and how you will die, meaning that you have absolutely no control over any of it?

    You can test this if you wish. Go to a 4-lane freeway and walk across it during heavy traffic in the dark of night. If it is your time to die, you will be hit. If not, you will come through just fine.

    If you are right, then you have no reason to follow any safety protocols whatsoever.
     
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  3. Hatul

    Hatul Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Tustin, California, United States
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    I agree. I don’t want to criticize a dead man but he made some pretty big mistakes. And I’m not taking nitrox on a dive close to the MOD at a site with no bottom. And the pony has air not nitrox. Yes check the SPG frequently and don’t assume because you’re an experienced diver you don’t need to check your SPG. An AI computer with the display on the computer face has a safety advantage.
     
  4. raftingtigger

    raftingtigger Divemaster

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Woodland, CA, USA
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    Agreed.

    And don't feel that just because you are an experienced, well trained, alert diver, that you can't make a fatal mistake. While I try really hard to learn from my and others mistakes, I do realize that I too may be the subject of a similar post. I pray not, but it is a risk I willingly take to enjoy the sport I love.
     
  5. Jonny Wishbone

    Jonny Wishbone Barracuda

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: West Central Florida
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    boulderjohn, you are clearly one of the ones that my apologies would go to and I mean that with sincerity. I tried to be as politically correct as I could without dragging in scripture as this is not a forum of religion. Yes, you do have control over your day to day actions with free will, and actions we do, may come with a consequence. If one welcomes death, by all means it is easy to invite into your life. Life is not failsafe, however, I am saying that when your number is up, it is up and thats it. If you were able to save yourself or someone was able to save you then it would go under the "near miss" forum. Based on the questions in the beginning of your reply it is clear that you don't agree with scripture and thats ok. I'm sure there are no children on this forum and we are all adults here and topics like this are taboo. So what do you say we just let it go and move on? Those who can relate to what I said will relate to it and those who don't, won't and its all ok. Happy diving...
     
  6. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor Staff Member

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    Location: Boulder, CO
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    I am not going to comment on this any more because it is off topic for this thread, but you can be sure that I am very well aware of the philosophical issues involved here, including the scriptural references to this, which are few and far between. If you believe what you believe, I suggest you do a search of these issues of your own.
     
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  7. Marie13

    Marie13 Great White

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    I always have air in my pony. One of the reasons I recently went with a Perdix AI for single tank and SM was having all my info on my wrist.
     
  8. Hatul

    Hatul Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Tustin, California, United States
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    About gear configuration. One where there is a risk of confusing regulators is an accident waiting to happen. A DIR diver would not make such a mistake, but even if not DIR regulators should not be dangling with risk of confusion.
     
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  9. Dizzi Lizzi

    Dizzi Lizzi Manta Ray

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    So heartbreaking and sobering. I am sure for those who know him personally this renews the pain. I know because I recently read the DAN accident report about a friend of mine, it was harder to read than the coroner report. I wish you peace and healing.

    In both cases these were experienced divers who made simple mistakes that were lethal.

    It is a good reminder that all those simple checks are so important to keep ourselves and those we love safe.
     
  10. HalcyonDaze

    HalcyonDaze Manta Ray

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    Yep. For me it was a couple factors that piled up, but what sealed it was that I was on what I considered an "easy" dive in comparison to my usual recreational fare - a low-exertion drift dive at a max depth of 75 ft, with the primary objective being to vet the new buddy's dive skills. Suffice to say said buddy got an advanced skills test, a free dive trip, and dinner out of the deal for saving my overconfident hide.

    I've been a lot more paranoid about checking gauges since and carry a pony for deeper dives (the second stage for which is an R190, versus the Cyklons on my main tank - hard to get those confused). The pony however was something I was already considering since I do a lot of SOB (Same Ocean Buddy) diving and the idea of a single point of failure started to worry me.
     
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