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Advanced penetration of the Spiegel Grove Wreck

Discussion in 'Wreck Diving' started by norwhal, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. Coztick

    Coztick Contributor

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: calgary
    This is the priceless part of Scubaboard.
    In depth, real time dialogue with experts in a tiny market.
    Many of these threads have had a major effect on people's understanding and therefore enjoyment and safety while diving. I would bet heavily that a few threads have saved lives.
    Remember kids, we play in a deadly environment.

    My thanks to you, Capt Jim, Boulder John
    and ALL other constructive participants.

    chillyinCanada and OTF like this.
  2. Coztick

    Coztick Contributor

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: calgary
    Sooo, a "test dive" is NOT appropriate gas planning??
    What if you go slow??

    Sorry, I'm a sarcastic ass!
  3. Coztick

    Coztick Contributor

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: calgary
    Certainly not that frequently but the numbers are probably pretty close.
    You get we're talking about people right?
    Not the OP, he's done this dozens of times. He's good?
    My concern is the two trusting him.
  4. mac64

    mac64 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Ireland
    Relax no one plans a wreck dive on an Internet forum. As least not an adult.
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  5. happy-diver

    happy-diver Skindiver Just feelin it

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: knowone here!

    So here's the video page 8

    and here's the summary page 12

    and yet the basic diver forever incensed crowd, just keep on talking and talking and talking

    Hey how's that music in the video, it's pretty majestic yeah, far more majestic than the dive

    You did watch the video folks
  6. Manatee Diver

    Manatee Diver Stop throwing lettuce at me! ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: None - Not Certified
    Location: Tampa Bay, FL
    I actually do the initial planning for a lot of my cave dives on the internet.

    I research new places, watch videos, and take advice. The final planning is done in the water as we do gas matching and go over the plan one last time.

    This planning as saved me time, there is a tunnel that I saw on the map, went and saw some videos on the internet and I didn't have confidence that one of my primary buddies (a BM CCR diver) and I could navigate it safely. Off to a different tunnel for that weekend.
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  7. ChuckP

    ChuckP Contributor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Cozumel

    It is a pretty mundane dive, no where near what the "plan" describes but it wasn't till page 8 that you see a video of the dive and by then, the attitude was already well in place.

    It stops being mundane when:
    A low pressure hose fails in the passageway
    Someone's low on gas
    Someone's narced and decides to wander
    Someone's overly nervous
    Someone's entangled in the line
    He calls it an advanced penetration
    He talks about on the fly possibly going down staircases and exploring
    He doesn't want the captain to know about his plans
    Most if not all dive ops would require wreck training for that dive, and who knows, maybe even advanced if you were going to wander about

    The cavalier attitude is a big turn off, a huge warning sign. Even a long swim thru like that "penetration" has potential for big problems for untrained folks - problems cascade and then your name turns up on a google search. It's not many pages into the divemaster training that divers like this are pointed out.....

    Why not get the wreck training, have a guide and leave the reel on the boat?
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  8. Storker

    Storker ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: close to a Hell which occasionally freezes over

    A ScubaBoard Staff Message...

    FYI: The OP has been banned. Per SB policy, the reason will never be disclosed.

    However, I would like to suggest that if we want to continue the discussion, it should be based on more general principles, not by replying directly to the OP.
  9. Hoag

    Hoag Contributor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: SW Ontario - Just outside of the GTHA
    So, here we are 18 pages into the thread.

    I am not a tech diver. I am not a wreck diver. When I am on a wreck, I limit myself to swim throughs with a clear unobstructed exit. I have only dove the SG twice, and at that time, she was still resting on her side so you know it was "a few" years ago.

    Having said that, as I was reading the last 18 pages, I couldn't help but think of a phenomenon known as the "Dunning-Kruger Effect" which according to Wikipedia (ya I know it isn't the best reference, but it'll do here) "... is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness ... people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence."

    It is often expressed as a graph:

    This thread seems to have had contributors from across pretty much the entire spectrum from None to guru.
  10. ChuckP

    ChuckP Contributor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Cozumel
    I wasn't replying to the OP - I was replying to the guy that didn't like that folks suggesting that his plan wasn't a good idea

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