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Advanced penetration of the Spiegel Grove Wreck

Discussion in 'Wreck Diving' started by norwhal, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. wedivebc

    wedivebc CCR Instructor Trainer ScubaBoard Supporter

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    As a MOD on another forum that deals with rebreathers I can tell you sometimes it's hard to know where the line is. Back when many folks were heavily modifying or building their own units you would have to be careful to know when a design or strategy was innovative genius or a recipe for disaster. While the MODs do their best the "standards" are sometimes a blurry line. I will say in this case the line is pretty clear.
     
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  2. mac64

    mac64 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    For me every dive is a new dive and i treat them all with the same respect. And the last thing I'm going to do is tell someone how they should dive the "Spiegel". Ive never dived it and based solely on the posted video I can see how someone could land themselves in trouble, Great vis, lovely conditions and everyone enjoying themselves but look what happens at 01.37 a sudden drop in vis and i know there is an opening just ahead but the same could happen anywhere along the corridor, add to that the camera makes it look a lot brighter. thats the vis i would plan my dive for, also forget about all the other divers around you if they are not part of the plan they don't exist.
     
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  3. ontdiver

    ontdiver Solo Diver

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    The one used by the MOD(s) that decided on the ban.
     
  4. Manatee Diver

    Manatee Diver Stop throwing lettuce at me! ScubaBoard Supporter

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    So you don't avail yourself of the wealth of information available for tourist sites? IMO that just as inadvisable. You can learn a lot about a site from seeing videos, looking at maps, and talking to people that go there. The OP may not has listened to advice, but there are numerous reports on the site and the conditions in this thread that can be used to do initial planning. Obviously since it is an ocean site you need to be flexible in case the conditions don't match what you expect, but it is better to have more information than less information.
     
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  5. mac64

    mac64 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    If we were sitting down together having a chat about a wreck that would be totally different. Of course I would take what you’d say on board but I always plan my dives topside on the day taking all the conditions into account. If I was researching a lost ship I’d trawl the internet for any reference to it.
     
  6. jadairiii

    jadairiii Solo Diver

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    Having come from the time of Cavers, Tekdiver and Deco Stop (even Spearboard) forums, the talk of "lines" makes me laugh. Merely asking where to buy spring straps in that era could get 17 pages of cursing, allegations of the most heinous crimes, and all around frivolity! I miss those days......
     
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  7. happy-diver

    happy-diver Skindiver Just feelin it

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  8. Manatee Diver

    Manatee Diver Stop throwing lettuce at me! ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Fear is healthy, if you are doing something dangerous (like overhead diving) and you don't at least have that little voice saying "This is dangerous," it is time to hang up your fins IMO.
     
  9. Storker

    Storker ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    One of my favorite aphorisms: Scuba diving is perfectly safe as long as you realize that it's gonna kill you if it gets the opportunity
     
  10. mac64

    mac64 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I think of fear as worry trying to get its foot in the door, Rational concern about any aspect of your diving is what needs to be dealt with. You must pin down exactly what it is and deal with it. There’s no place in diving for worry and it must never be allowed in.
     

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