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Advice on how to become a better / safe diver

Discussion in 'New Divers and Those Considering Diving' started by CommanderKeen, Jul 31, 2018.

  1. TMHeimer

    TMHeimer Divemaster

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    I do agree with you. "Sitting", kneeling--words that are becoming taboo, especially here on the Board. I do agree with those very experienced instructors who have gone to teaching skills neutrally buoyant. One of the OP's plans was to "practice all the OW skills while buoyant" (I assume he meant neutrally buoyant, or else you're on the surface). How many of the PADI 24 skills are ones you CAN do neutrally? Half dozen?
    Most say that doing skills like mask clearing, reg retrieval, doff & don, etc. are just as easy doing neutrally. Agree. But I don't think it hurts for someone to sit on the bottom of the pool to work on the skill. General buoyancy while diving--even for a very new diver--isn't rocket science.
     
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  2. gcarter

    gcarter Orca

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    The point of my exercise certainly wasn't to stay neutrally buoyant for a couple of hours in a 4-1/2' deep above ground pool, that is for sure. I applaud the move by some to teach while buoyant from the start as a general statement. But the conditions for the exercise should match the goals of the exercise. In my case, they matched my goals - gaining comfort with the water in my face, not the mechanics of the skill.

    One size does not fit all, DIR beliefs notwithstanding.
     
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  3. Sh0rtBus

    Sh0rtBus Barracuda

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    I had my first OW class acting as a DM this past weekend in the pool and will be at the lake this coming Saturday for the actually OW dives. And I can say that NASE teaches skills while neutrally buoyant. Of course they start out with kneeling in the shallows first to get students used to the feeling but then they transition to a 50m swim without a mask while a buddy leads to get the students more comfortable with water being on their face while they can still breathe. But at the end of the pool session, all skills are done neutral and will be required to be done neutral at the lake. I have to say I was actually pretty impressed with the six students in this OW class, as they all seemed to get neutral fairly quickly and easily.
     
  4. TMHeimer

    TMHeimer Divemaster

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    When you say all skills, can you list those ones which were done neutrally? For example "deepwater entry" or weight belt doff & don on the surface aren't done neutrally of course.
     
  5. Sh0rtBus

    Sh0rtBus Barracuda

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    Of course!
    1. Mask Flood
    2. Mask doff & don
    3. Air share
    4. Gear doff & don

    I think that's pretty much it. At least that I can remember.
     
  6. EireDiver606

    EireDiver606 DIR Practitioner

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    +1

    The only person who mentioned DIR is you. Whether DIR is for you or not, diving is about having fun! (believe it or not) and
    if you are not neutrally buoyant and off the bottom, youre not going to have as much fun. Stop bringing up DIR rubbish - its nothing to do with it. Unrelated.
     
  7. sigxbill

    sigxbill Tech Instructor

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    Actually DIR and neutrally buoyant teaching are related. Where do you think teaching neutrally buoyant was developed? Development of neutrally buoyant teaching traces primarily back to Andrew Georgitsis of UTD (formerly GUE) ... cheers
     
  8. gcarter

    gcarter Orca

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    You continue to falsely equate the situation I described with bad diving. I could have done the same exercise in a bathtub. Would I have needed to be neutrally buoyant for that as well? Such nonsense.
     
  9. EireDiver606

    EireDiver606 DIR Practitioner

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    I know DIR is neutrally buoyant teaching but teaching in neutral buoyancy isn’t DIR. it’s not the same. I know what you mean.
     

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