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Agency bashing... what is it and why we don't allow it.

Discussion in 'Site Support' started by The Chairman, May 18, 2021.

  1. Wookie

    Wookie Curmudgeon Apprentice ScubaBoard Business Sponsor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    And dive boats. "But this free (for them) trip will be great for your exposure"
     
  2. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Not if you market it properly. Doesn't McDonalds advertise their products as tasty? Compared to a gourmet burger, it isn't close.

    Now an agency can claim to have the "highest standards in the industry" which gives me a good laugh. I think that claim goes to a DIR agency, not a WRSTC one.

    As a former photographer on the side, don't get me started on that one.

    Yeah, I laugh at these so called influencers trying to get free stuff from different businesses. Get a real job people.
     
  3. RainPilot

    RainPilot OC/CCR Instructor Trainer Staff Member

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    I told you I'd bring a 2x4 of lumber and a 6-pack of toilet paper, that should have covered the whole trip for everyone....
     
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  4. Searcaigh

    Searcaigh Chromodoris gordonii Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Well let's be clear, some of them are.

    Me and many others probably laugh at the idea of doing a "Boat Diver" course, but my boat trip yesterday proved that most people haven't a clue on diving from boats in particular boat "etiquette" as I tried to avoid tripping over gear that was randomly abandoned around the deck.
     
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  5. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    ^^THIS^^

    People love to make fun of PADI's Boat Diver specialty, as part of the not-allowed PADI-bashing.
    But most have never seen the actual material in the specialty. Attached are the Learning Objectives to be covered in the course.

    The Performance Requirements for the two dives in the specialty are minimal; the guts of the course are the contents of the learning material. If an instructor does NOT cover that material, then the student has a right to complain. Unless, of course, the student is not actually trying to learn something and just wants the card as an entitlement.
     

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  6. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board Staff Member

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    The next logical question, which no one has asked, is what to do if/when you encounter someone bashing an agency?

    DON'T accuse them of agency bashing in the thread...
    Report the post, instead!​
    Mods will review the thread with an even head.
    You will avoid continuing the silt out.
    You will avoid hurting anyone's feelings.
    Mods earn their salary by reviewing these threads...​
     
  7. Capt Jim Wyatt

    Capt Jim Wyatt Hanging at the 10 Foot Stop Staff Member

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    I have many times. If they are PADI bashing I simply challenge them to show me in the standards where things are subpar. It can't be done because the standards are fine.

    Once they talk about a particular diver or instructor I point out where they apparently did not adhere to standards.
     
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  8. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Here we go. I personally like to ease open water students to scuba by first getting them to do skin diving skills, so they first get accustomed to fins/finning, mask, snorkel, and equalizing. But per PADI standards, this can be done starting in CW2 or later. Not really subpar as suboptimal. The way to get around this is to give a "free" skin diving course after the swim/float tests. But to have to jump through any hoops is just silly.

    I'd actually love for someone to explain to me logically why this limitation is in place.

    I have more, but I'll just start with that to see where this goes.
     
  9. undrwater

    undrwater Solo Diver

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    Give 'em a raise!
     
  10. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Maybe increase their salary by 10x?
     
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