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Alec Pierce Scuba - Long Hose Good or Bad

Discussion in 'Advanced Scuba Discussions' started by loosenit2, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

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    Yes and no. People buy octo holders and they expect those devices ... wait for it ... hold the octo. Problem is, as @PfcAJ stated, they often do not. Add in cold water divers with thick gloves and thus little dexterity, if it comes off, how easy is it to put back on? The only octo holder I've seen work well is the necklace. Magnets work okay too. The rest? As soon as they wear, they don't hold it reliably, if they did when brand new.

    We have restricted fields of view from our mask. If the octo is not at the top of the triangle, we won't notice that it is loose unless we check for it. That's just a weakness of the standard configuration.
     
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  2. MaxBottomtime

    MaxBottomtime Divemaster

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  3. Fastmarc

    Fastmarc Just drifting along... ScubaBoard Supporter

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    The very 1st alternate holder I got held it well for many years until I went to the 'streamed lined' set up. Not once did it come out in the water or on a boat. With a tug it it was out, though I have never had to donate air. Was I just lucky to find the one type that worked perfectly with my alternate mouth piece? I doubt it. (that's it in my avatar)
    I think if the diver want to secure in the traditional, it came be done.
     
  4. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

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    LInk?
     
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  5. Fastmarc

    Fastmarc Just drifting along... ScubaBoard Supporter

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  6. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

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    I used to have that one (before I threw all the half dozen or so octo holders away). It did not work well. Very difficult to put back the octo back in with thick gloves while in the water. My guess is that the one you had from 2006 and mine from 2017 were made differently.
     
  7. StefinSB

    StefinSB Manta Ray

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    I don't care of you dive a long hose or not. I am trying to understand what you guys think is so difficult: taking your reg in your hand and stretching your arm forward? Bowing your head?
     
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  8. Chavodel8en

    Chavodel8en Barracuda

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    Not ever finding a proper octo holder is the reason I went to primary donate/ bungeed octo (altho I dont use a long hose).

    Im not very "anal" or neurotic about gear. If it generally works, Im fine with it.

    If I could find an octo holder that both kept the octo in place, and released it when necessary, maybe I would never have changed, even though I recognized that having redundancy right below my chin adds a measure of safety.

    But I could never find a satisfactory octo holder. If it held the octo well, it might be a bit difficult to release. Mostly, my octo would occasionally slip out, and it might drag in the sand.

    Im a conscientious diver, but there's no way I could keep my octo secure. So I agree with your point here.
     
  9. Must_dash

    Must_dash Angel Fish

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    It was more when they were discussing jacket BCDs against BP/W config. That the jacket can 'go flip flop' etc.
     
  10. Chavodel8en

    Chavodel8en Barracuda

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    Yeah, I used to use a "scum-ball" octo-holder and thought that it was a solution, until I tried to put back the octo w thick gloves - almost impossible. I imagine the mouthpiece design holder is just as bad.

    Again, I am about as non-elitist a diver there is, I'll dive any gear that works, but I am a firm believer that all octo holders suck, and its best not to rely on them.
     

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