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American divers get no respect

Discussion in 'Q and A for Scuba Certification Agencies' started by kneptoon, Oct 5, 2014.

  1. dmoore19

    dmoore19 Denizen of the PUB ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Colorado, United States
    Then they should say they do not accept a PADI certification and refuse to sell their services to someone who is not certified to meet their standards.
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  2. demed

    demed Dive Shop

    # of Dives: I'm a Fish!
    Location: Kirkland, Washington, United States
    Before drawing comparisons between the challenging conditions of french diving and the fair weather diving conditions of the US of A, I would go back to check that book called atlas and count the % of miles of coastline of the two countries where the average water temperature is below 70. Since the demise of the J-valve probably diving Newfoundland, the Puget Sound, Alaska or the Wrecks of New Jersey must have become much more comfortable than the mediterranean. In fact, would be even better to see how much french diving is done in the south versus the north.
    Diving the british isles is indeed much similar to diving in much the north of of the US, but I wouldn't even start to compare the number of divers in the two geographies. So how does CMAS and BSAC pretend to teach lessons to the galaxy of agencies certifying hundreds of thousands of divers in the US under equivalent or more challenging conditions is a mistery to me. perhaps must be certifying divers in the single digits every year that forces those two bodies to conduct immensely long course just to keep busy their bored instructors....

    ---------- Post added October 5th, 2014 at 10:43 PM ----------

    Indeed, and then specialize in super-exclusive service for the lucky one tourist who meets such a requirements every year.
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    OMANDIVER DIR Practitioner

    BSAC happily welcomes PADI qualified divers in my experience, they don't pretend to teach lessons to other agencies. There is nothing in the above posts to suggest it does. Just been doing it longer and differently ie a club not a commercial agency.
  4. cb5150

    cb5150 Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: The Woodlands, TX
    The greatest prison people live in is the fear of what other people think of them.
  5. AdivingBel

    AdivingBel Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Missouri
    As long as their policy is clearly stated up front, it's good by me. Their boat, their rules. Doesn't sound like a respect issue. Sounds like a training/skills issue. If that is what is required and I really want to dive there, then I would get the appropriate cert.
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  6. Adam Grose

    Adam Grose Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Tucson, AZ
    GREAT quote!! I am SO gonna steal that one from you. :wink:

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  7. drbill

    drbill The Lorax for the Kelp Forest Scuba Legend

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Santa Catalina Island, CA
    Indeed PADI AOW (and that of a few other agencies) means very little. Back in the 60s when I finally got certified by Los Angeles County (LAC), the OW cert required training that was in many ways equivalent to the current OW-AOW-Rescue certs. It took three weeks of fairly rigorous classroom, pool and open ocean work to get certified. The funny thing is I finally got a PADI AOW cert when young PADI instructors (even those from the "Lost" Angeles area) had no clue what LAC and wouldn't let me do certain dives without a "check out dive" despite my extensive dive log. I finally chose to get the PADI AOW cert when a great PADI instructor in Cairns saw my original c-card and referred to it as a "museum piece." He knew about the LAC even though he lived "way down under" and gave me the PADI AOW cert for the cost of materials.

    Face it... current training standards by most mainstream dive agencies are pretty minimal. There are far more extensive and rigorous training programs both here in the States and elsewhere in the world.

    And the subject line "American divers get no respect" is somewhat misleading since PADI is international in scope, not just the U.S. and the rest of the Americas.
  8. Mike

    Mike Great White

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Denver, Colorado

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  9. Akimbo

    Akimbo Lift to Freedom Volunteer Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

    PADI, OW, and AOW don't get any respect on this board, why should it be different anywhere else?
  10. sphyrnidus

    sphyrnidus Photographer

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Netherlands
    The statement that French & German divers use an awful lot of rebreathers is a bit over the top. A lot of divers from Germany, Belgium, France, Chech come to Zeeland to dive. I seldom see a rebreather. Diving the wrecks in Scapa Flow in Scotland is different though.
    In the Netherlands it is 40% CMAS and 40% Padi and of course GUE, BSAC and every other agency. In the Netherlands there is an agreement that all of the same level of certs are interchangeable after a debate that lasted a decade or longer. So if you are a OW it is recognised as 1* and so on.
    The diving conditions here are low vision and low temp's. I think about 50 % are diving dry suits here and the wet suit divers only dive from May till October.

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