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American divers get no respect

Discussion in 'Q and A for Scuba Certification Agencies' started by kneptoon, Oct 5, 2014.

  1. kneptoon

    kneptoon Barracuda

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    Thanks much for the explanation, regarding the differences between these agencies. My first dive course (NAUI/YMCA) in the 60s taught decompression as part of the course. I can see the pros and cons as to why decompression diving is left as a separate certification. My personal experience with French divers has been great. They are very safety conscious and knowledgeable. I had some miscommunication with hand signals regarding bar pressure, that's about it.
     
  2. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Dive Shop

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  3. supergaijin

    supergaijin Dive Shop

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    Having taught PADI, CMAS (FFESSM) and SSI, CMAS Standards are at a par where it comes to "new divers".
     
  4. dmoore19

    dmoore19 Denizen of the PUB ScubaBoard Supporter

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    To be quite honest, I find that there is more arrogance displayed right here on Scubaboard than I have seen in my travels in real life, comparatively speaking of course.
     
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  5. cascas

    cascas Instructor, Scuba

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    Try Belgium... There are quarries there where they will gladly let you in wit a freshly earned 1* certification and frown upon a collection of Padi OWSI + GUE Tech1 + GUE Cave2 cards.

    CMAS : Certificates Mean Absolutely **** (if not CMAS) as far as the French go.

    The CMAS standards may be higher the quality of a lot of divers I see in the Dutch estuary ( a lot of Belgians) does not show that.
     
  6. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    Fun fact:

    The crossover agreement between PADI and CMAS specifies the following:
    • C.M.A.S. One star Diver - may enroll - PADI Advanced Open Water course
    • C.M.A.S. One star* Diver plus a minimum of 9 logged dives, within 1 night dive, 1 navigation dive and 1 deep dive ( > 18 meters ) - may enroll - PADI Rescue Diver course
    • C.M.A.S. Two stars Diver - may enroll - PADI Dive Master course
    • PADI Open Water with a minimum of 5 logged dives - may enroll - C.M.A.S. Two stars diver course
    • PADI Advanced Open Water - may enroll - C.M.A.S. Two stars diver course
    • PADI Rescue Diver with a minimum of 25 logged dives - may enroll - C.M.A.S. Three stars diver course

    The agreement is signed by Achille Ferrero (President of C.M.A.S.) and Drew Richardson (Vice President of PADI). So, according to both agencies:
    PADI OW < CMAS* < PADI AOW < CMAS** &#8776; PADI Rescue < CMAS*** &#8776; PADI DM

    Another fun fact: Around here, there was a significant amount of animosity between C.M.A.S. and PADI fanboys a couple of decades ago. These days, people are quite a bit more relaxed on the subject, but there may still be some good-natured ribbing going on after a couple of beers. It might be that the OP was unlucky enough to stumble over some vestiges of that 'war'.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2014
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  7. jdkerner

    jdkerner Angel Fish

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    It would be relatively easy to check and see if American/PADI certified divers have accidents at a rate distinct from those trained elsewhere. Any stats?
     
  8. RJP

    RJP Scuba Media & Publications

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    Why do you think this would be true? (The "relatively easy to check" part.)
     
  9. Hawkwood

    Hawkwood MSDT

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    A ScubaBoard Staff Message...

    Okay folks, feel free to start your own threads in the Pub about who is or is not in the EU, Imperial vs. SI, window screens, coffee, contributions during various World Wars, SNL, firearms, cans vs. bottles for beer, the boiling point of water, split fins, smuggling spotted turtles, the shape of various currencies, and other completely off-topic discussions to the Pub. There were far too many to split them off from here so they were simply deleted.

     
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 22, 2014
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  10. shoredivr

    shoredivr Solo Diver

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    Damn, why not just move the whole thread to the Pub? There was some interesting links there :-(
     

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